Started it today for my O's who have ich and velvet.

How long before I see results?

Should I also pour in some Prime or Slimecoat product or anything else?

Am thinking of getting Mardel's antibiotic tomorrow in case there is secondary infections.

Thoughts please.

Never heard of the stuff, but when someone mentiones copper in a aquarium, you better read this first;

Copper is a micronutrient and toxin. It strongly adsorbs to organic matter, carbonates and clay, which reduces its bioavailability. Copper is highly toxic in aquatic environments and has effects in fish, invertebrates, and amphibians, with all three groups equally sensitive to chronic toxicity (U.S. EPA 1993; Horne and Dunson 1995). Copper is highly toxic to amphibians (including mortality and sodium loss), with adverse effects in tadpoles and embryos (Horne and Dunson 1995; Owen 1981). Copper will bioconcentrate in many different organs in fish and mollusks (Owen 1981). There is low potential for bioconcentration in fish, but high potential in mollusks. Copper sulfate and other copper compounds are effective algaecides (free copper ions are the lethal agent). Single-cell and filamentous algae and cyanobacteria are particularly susceptible to the acute effects, which include reductions in photosynthesis and growth, loss of photosynthetic pigments, disruption of potassium regulation, and mortality. Sensitive algae may be affected by free copper at low (parts per billion) ppb concentrations in freshwater.

I just copied this, so i'm willing to be corrected.

Id agree with that, Copper can be dangerous to all aquatic life so use with caution, if youve already added it then keep a close eye on the fish and the water quality as it may mess up your filtration

yes, i did use it and put the minimum amount to be safe, checking all levels, continuing with 25% water change, water also has some minimum salt added that has helped them a great deal and will be adding Mardel 01120 Maracyn Freshwater Compounded Broad-spectrum Antibiotic to cover any secondary infections since Nemo's tonge and gills are still a little swollen. They are looking better. Nemo is looking for food but I am not feeding them as much. Water temp. is still at 86 which they are really enjoying and they have good amount of oxygen coming into the tank. So far, they are looking a lot better than a week ago. I chose the Mardel Copper Safe because after all the other attempts, nothing helped and did read great reviews about it ONLY if used just as directed and NEVER to overdose. Thanks alot guys for your input.

I can only say it so many times, you are going to continue to have issues, UNTIL YOUR TANK IS CYCLED.

Adding all these meds is not good for your tank, and it is just complicating things farther. I have NEVER added anything to my tanks.

yes, i understand what you are saying but if my fish have ich and velvet, should i just leave them like that? aren't these dangerous and can be fatal?

The higher temps will cure the ich. that is why I old you to turn the heat up.

As for the Velvet, how do you know?

Everything my other O is doing lines up with all symptoms for velvet.

Velvet: Velvet is highly contagious and can prove fatal to fish. It is therefore important to treat as early as possible. The infected fish usually swims around scratching at things in the tank very rapidly and usually has its fins very close to its body.

Not only were they both acting this way but also had ich in fins.

....and I thought my tank was cycled by now. it's been over a week and all the levels are good. the ammonia went from the first dangerous reading of 4.0 to anywhere form 0 to .25 at times. when it is .25 i do the 25% water change as you had suggested.

Thanks again.

your tank, will take 5 weeks of daily water changes to be CYCLED. you need ammonia 0
Nitrite 0 and then some kind of Nitrate reading. so until this happens your tank is NOT cycled.

Now your ammonia has dropped, so your Nitrite will rise, then it will drop the way the ammonia did, and you will start to get a nitrate reading.

As for the velvet, your fish will behave the same way with ICH and the higher temps will clear that.

thanks so much. i would like to ask you one more question. the water flow through the filter is not as strong as it was, obviously some dirt in the filter. which part am i allowed to touch or rinse? i don't want to hurt the cycle again. thanks.

At this point... DON'T touch anything. Just leave it until you are completely cycled. if you need more filtration, add another filter. But don't rinse, or change anything with your current filter.

Hope this helps.

thanks. i will do that.