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HITH, fin rot, poor water quality - many questions 2 years ago #93880

While I’ve taken care of Oscars for over 10 years, but it wasn’t until last week that I realized that I have been doing a horrible job and honestly feel like I’ve been mistreating my Oscars. (I started out with a setup from walmart – needless to say their education was not correct). I started out with 2 small Oscars in a 10 gallon tank. They lived for 4 years with no noticeable health problems (they died when we lost power from an ice storm and froze to death overnight). They were only fed tropical fish flakes.

After they died and power was restored, I purchased 2 more Oscars. They lived together peacefully for 4 years until one decided to kill the other (their size differed by a few millimeters). I didn’t try to replace the tank mate since he seemed quite content by himself. He’s now 6 years old. A few months ago he started slamming himself against the walls of the tank. He lost large chunks of flesh to his head and lost many areas of scales along his side. I had been neglecting his water changes (I wasn’t in town as much due to college) so I increased them and the behavior stopped. The flesh and scales grew back except for a round spot/hole on the top of his head. The tips of his fins were also white and didn’t return to their normal color. I assumed this was permanent damage and since the behavior has stopped, the rest of the wounds had healed, he was still active and eating I didn’t think much about the hole and fin discoloration.

Last week he starting swimming with a slight tilt and acting a bit lethargic (spending more time near the bottom), but was still eating normally. I finally decided to talk to some people about Oscar care and do some research. I discovered that the 10 gallon tank is much too small, he has hole in the head and fin rot, and his attack of the tank walls was an attempt to escape. He’s 6 years old and about 6-7 inches (although he’s difficult to measure since he doesn’t like to stay still). From what I read it sounds like if he has been properly taken care of he should be much bigger.

I found a former Oscar owner on craigslist that was selling the tank his 2 oscars has outgrown. It’s a 55 gallon tank with a cascade filter (I believe it’s the 700 model – he said it was meant to cycle 75 gallons), a heater (it came with 2, but one was glass and broke on the trip home), with lids, lights, gravel/sand, decorations and food (my Oscar has been eating tropical fish flakes with an occasional bug his entire life – his new food are varying size pellots for chilids, frozen bloodworms, krill, beef heart etc….). The tank has been set up since Sunday night (3 days). Today I added some feeder fish to the tank to help it cycle. While I have read that ideally I should cycle the tank for 5-6 weeks, the person I bought the tank from said that 2 weeks should be sufficient (perhaps 1 week with feeder fish). Regardless, I plan on testing the water before adding my Oscar.

I bought a water testing kit today and tested both tanks (I know it’s too soon for the 55 gallon, but I was curious).

10 gallon tank:
23 degrees celcius
GH – 120 (normall)
KH – 0 (bad – should be 120)
pH – 6.0 (bad – ideal is 7.0, 6.5 okay)
nitrite – 0 (normal)
nitrate – 160 (bad – should be under 40)

55 gallon tank (I tested it just to compare, I know it’s too early to move him yet)
23 degrees celcius
GH – 0(low – should be 120)
KH –0(low – should be 120)
pH – 6.5 (normal, although ideal is 7.0)
nitrite – 0(normal)
nitrate – 0 (normal)

When I bought the feeder fish for the bigger tank, I put them in the smaller tank until the bigger tank had cycled for a few days. My Oscar absolutely loved it and over the past few days has eaten many of them. I moved the feeder fish over to the new tank today and after a few hours tried feeding my Oscar a pellet (he’s never had pellets before). He gulped it, then spit it back out. So I tried two other kinds (the CL lot that I bought had about 4 kinds). He did the same thing each time, gulped the pellet, but then spit t back out.

Since I found out that he had head rot, I’ve been treating him daily with Melafix (made by aquarium pharmaceuticals). According to the instructions I’m supposed to treat him daily for 1 week, continuing if necessary. So here’s my list of questions:

1) Obviously the test results on the current tank are poor. Should I try to correct these values? (I would have to go out and buy the necessary products – I don’t have anything on hand to correct them). Or should I not worry about it since he’ll be moving to a new tank as soon as it’s finished cycling?

2) Why won’t my Oscar eat the pellets? Is he just full from the feeder fish (even though he is gulping the pellets, but spiting them back out)? Or is he so accustomed to the tropical flakes that he doesn’t like the change?

3) How do I go about feeding the frozen beef hearts, krill, etc….? Do you feed chop them up into pieces and feed them frozen, thaw them out and let him eat the whole square,etc….?

4) I’m treating my Oscar for HITH and fin rot. He will have finished with his 7 day treatment tomorrow evening. I haven’t noticed an improvement in the hole yet. If he’s “contagious” I don’t want to move him to the new tank and risk contaminating the water with the bacteria affecting his head. How long should I wait to move him?

5)There’s one decoration in the old tank that I’d like to have in the new tank. However I don’t want to transmit any of the bacteria that’s causing the fin rot and HITH to the new tank. How do I properly clean/sterilize it so it’s safe to go in the new tank?

6) I’m afraid that I’ve permanently stunted his growth. He’s only about 6-7 inches and is 6 years old. I’m told that once he’s moved to bigger tank with better water conditions that he should continue to grow. I realize that he’ll probably never get as big as he would have if I had taken proper care of him from day 1. How much bigger will he get? (I don’t really have the room for anything bigger than a 55 gallon tank).

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Re: HITH, fin rot, poor water quality - many questions 2 years ago #93881

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Wow... That is a lot of info! But Hi there! Lets get this parts started... I am going to ask you one question that may solve all of this! What filter do you have on your 10 gallon?
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Re: HITH, fin rot, poor water quality - many questions 2 years ago #93882

I have no idea (we bought it so long ago that I can't remember what it's called). There's a plastic platform that runs along the bottom with two towers that are in the back corners. A tube is in each tower with an air stone attached to each and at the top of the tower is a plastic container with carbon in it. They no longer make the replacements so I drilled a hole in the plastic, remove the old carbon and refill it.

The filter on the new tank is a penn plax cascade (I believe 700 - made for a 75 gallon tank).

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CRAP! That isn't what I wanted to hear! Ok. I am going to break this down and answer your questions ... So sit tight for just a minute!
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Re:HITH, fin rot, poor water quality - many questions 2 years ago #93884

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Where to start, ok move the oscar, water and filter and put them all on the new tank, move at same time

Stop feeding feeders, they can catch diseases from them. Your fish will soon start eating pellets

Once things have setled down test your water weekly before a water change, ammonia, nitrite should be zero, nitrate should be less than 40. If nitrate is 40 or above then you need to do more or bigger water changes

Your fish does have bad HITH, the only cure is really good water, keep nitrates below 20 but the lower the better. Things means 3 or 4 water changes a week. HITH takes a long time to heal so be prepared to be doing this for weeks

Your fish is stunted, it wont grow any bigger and its unlikely to like a normal life span

Dont worry about transfering the bacteria. The bacteria gets in the fish when its stressed. Feel free to move the decor
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Re:HITH, fin rot, poor water quality - many questions 2 years ago #93885

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I can't believe that Oscar is six years old, at first glance I put it at about three or four months.

There's nothing wrong with a pH of 6.0. I can see that your very very high nitrates are probably the cause of your problems, although not as harmful as ammonia or nitrite, nitrate can cause stress over time if always high, so I suspect the hole in the head is down to constant high nitrate. If you could maintain your water conditions and then there is no reason why you couldn't clear this up. However, I suspect the internal damage is irreversible and you may find that the immune system has been damaged as well.

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Re:HITH, fin rot, poor water quality - many questions 2 years ago #93887

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capeter3ncsu wrote:
So here’s my list of questions:

1) Obviously the test results on the current tank are poor. Should I try to correct these values? (I would have to go out and buy the necessary products – I don’t have anything on hand to correct them). Or should I not worry about it since he’ll be moving to a new tank as soon as it’s finished cycling?


OK, to fix your water in the small tank, I would do 30% water changes everyday until your Ammonia, Nitrite, and Nitrate are in the right peramiters. You want 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrite, and 40ppm OR LESS Nitrate! Make sure when you do a water change that you vacuum the gravel!


2) Why won’t my Oscar eat the pellets? Is he just full from the feeder fish (even though he is gulping the pellets, but spiting them back out)? Or is he so accustomed to the tropical flakes that he doesn’t like the change?


There are several things here, and this could take a while to correct. 1.) I am sure he is full from the feeders. 2.) If he has never had pellets before he may not understand that they are food. Just keep trying. 3.) You are treating with Melafix and this will often cause fish to refuse foods for a while. So at this point don't panic. We can give you LOADS of ideas for food.

3) How do I go about feeding the frozen beef hearts, krill, etc….? Do you feed chop them up into pieces and feed them frozen, thaw them out and let him eat the whole square,etc….?


This is almost entirely your choice. I always thaw mine first, but some people don't!

4) I’m treating my Oscar for HITH and fin rot. He will have finished with his 7 day treatment tomorrow evening. I haven’t noticed an improvement in the hole yet. If he’s “contagious” I don’t want to move him to the new tank and risk contaminating the water with the bacteria affecting his head. How long should I wait to move him?


You really could move him now.. There is a fair amount of work that will go into this, But it will help cycle the big tank faster and get him out of the small tank.

I would move him to the 55, take all grave, water, and crap that are in the 10 gallon and add them in the 55... This will add your beneficial bacteria to the 55.. The tank may look like crap for a few hours, but in the long run this is a better option than waiting.

Once you have moved him, and emptied the 10 gallon, you will need to keep an eye on your water readings EVERYDAY for a while so we can see if there is a cycling issue. Worst case scenario, you will have a few added water changes.

The clean water will help heal his head (which I am NOT sure is HITH).

5)There’s one decoration in the old tank that I’d like to have in the new tank. However I don’t want to transmit any of the bacteria that’s causing the fin rot and HITH to the new tank. How do I properly clean/sterilize it so it’s safe to go in the new tank?


The issues he is having is due to the poor water quality. You are safe to move the decor!

6) I’m afraid that I’ve permanently stunted his growth. He’s only about 6-7 inches and is 6 years old. I’m told that once he’s moved to bigger tank with better water conditions that he should continue to grow. I realize that he’ll probably never get as big as he would have if I had taken proper care of him from day 1. How much bigger will he get? (I don’t really have the room for anything bigger than a 55 gallon tank).


Chances are his growth is stunted, and at this point there is not much you can do about that. He may grow a bit once he is moved, but there is no way to know. All you can do is the best you can, and we are all here to help you do that!!!!

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Re:HITH, fin rot, poor water quality - many questions 2 years ago #93889

Since he has 2 more treatments of melafix left should I treat the bigger tank with it for two days? (I plan on moving him, the gravel, water, etc.... over to the new tank tonight).

What do I do with the feeders? They're in the big tank right now to help it cycle, but I dont want him to eat any more of them (trying to get him eating pellots). Or just leave them in the big tank and hope they can swim fast with the extra room.

Re:HITH, fin rot, poor water quality - many questions 2 years ago #93890

Should I do another water test a few hours after I move him or just wait until tomorrow?

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See if you can take the feeders back to the store. Sometimes they will take them back. Another option would be to put the goldies in the 10 gallon and watch them grow!

If you move everything to the new tank, then wait and test tomorrow..

I sure hope this helps, And if you have any problems or questions I should be around most of the night!
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Re:HITH, fin rot, poor water quality - many questions 2 years ago #93892

Thanks for everyone's help!! I'm going to get started moving my oscar (his name is Spartacus by the way - from what I know now he's appropriately named, he has to be a gladiator to survive for this long in these conditions!)

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