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Joliet Jake replied the topic: Re:Hello everyone

I believe that in any bio-wheel or wheel type of filter that the wheel is the Biological Filter and should not ever be changed, not let to dry out. (In fact, float it in the aquarium while doing any maintenance or having the filter shut off). The pad or other media in that filter is the Mechanical filter and can be washed out or simply replaced. If it has a wheel, that part is definitely biological.

On canister filters the biological media is usually something like bio balls, or ceramic noodles and that part you only rinse out in aqaurium water to remove any collected solids. The Mechanical filter is usually some type of pad or sponge or floss etc. and will require changing to new. In my old eheim, the pad always needed to be replaced because it was bad enough. (In fact my eheeim had two mechanical pads, first a courser one that could be washed and reused, and then a finer one that needed to be replaced. The two pad mechanical system allowed the filter to run for 4-6 weeks between maintenance.)

Whisper filters I believe have a piece of solid foam that acts as the bio filter (they call it a Bio-Foam) so that should only be cleaned of solid matter in a bucket of tank water, as you don't want to kill off the good bacteria again. Keep it wet and don't over-clean it. It's probably a course media so it doent collect small particles and it promotes oxygenation too. The smaller finer pad is the mechanical filter (they call it a Bio-Bag) and made to be replaced though.

The Fluval I believe comes standard with ceramic noodles that are your biological filtration (which you never replace)... It's easy enough to tell as all you need to do is follow the flow of water on most filters. Water gets picked up by the pump and first filtered by the strainer at the end of the inlet tube. That is the coarse Mechanical filter and rejects pieces fo dirt too large for the pump to safely handle. Then water is passed over the mechanical filter to remove solids. From there water is generally routed over another media (if you have one) to remove chemicals (such as a carbon basket) and finally the water is flowed over the bio wheel, bio sponge, or bio balls etc. for biological filtration. Mostly all filters operate in this flow path and I am not aware of any that doen't use this flow path (exception Eheim explained below)

Lastly on this subject, you can't tell the flow path simply by looking at the layers of media in a canister filter because that could be deceiving. The media on top (when you first open the canister) is often times the last stage of filtration as water is often pumped directly to the bottom of the filter canister and then works its way back up through the different stages before exiting back into your tank. On a Fluval if I recall, the water goes down one side of the canister hits the bottom and then comes back up the othr side, so it's like s split chamber set up. Either way, the medias are generally always in the order I gave above. Eheim is the only exception I am aware of as Eheim passes water over the Biological Noodles FIRST (to collect pieces of leaves and debris) then over a Course Mechanical pad, then over the Chemical filtration baskets (or a second form of bio-media) and finally over the Finer mechanical filtration.

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SORRY for being so "long winded" :ohmy: :S :cheer:

(And Penn, I hope you don't mind that I interjected my comments as I had them started before I realized you had already posted your answer here.)

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jabdo07 replied the topic: Re:Hello everyone

Thank you both for the important info. i am a bit confused in all honesty about rinsing my media off with tank water, do I just take out some water from the tank into a bucket, then replace water in tank with new? And what part of the fluval does need to be replaced if any? About my whisper, I have 2 filter pads in it, should i replace these or also just rinse these off with tank water? Sorry i feel a little dumb:-) just trying to learn how to run an oscar tank right,lol.

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When you clean your media you never do it in tap water. The chlorine will kill the bacteria. Before you turn your filters off and take them apart, fill a bucket of water up with existing tank water. Then all you do is clean all the media in the bucket. Don't go too mad when you're doing it, just clean out any muck there may have collected between the media. If it is particular dirty, you may have to tip the media into a bucket and then add some water to clean it that way. It will probably take you around 20 minutes to do this so I like to dip the trays that you have already cleaned into water every now and then to keep them nice and wet. I haven't tried it, but you could get an air stone in a bucket of water and place the trays on top of it. You will then have oxygen running through the media.

When you are finished, just fill the tank up they would when you're done water change. Don't put the water that you have used to clean the media.

I don't use Fluval but I believe you get biological media in the form of bio balls, or something similar. You also get sponge. Normally in the canister filters, sponges are mechanical media . This is what captures all the debris. Depending on how thick the sponges are and what type it is, you don't necessarily have to change it too often, just rinse it out in existing tank water. However, like I said before, some of the internal eheim filters come with a very fine floss type mechanical media which does need to be changed quite often.

Just so you remember, biological media shouldn't be changed very often. If you want to change it, don't do it all at once, change some of it. For instance, if you have three trays of biological media, only change one of them for new media. Mechanical media can be changed more often but can be left if you clean it on a regular basis.

And never ever wash your media out in tap water

Post edited by: Oscarfishlover, at: 2007/04/22 15:29<br><br>Post edited by: Oscarfishlover, at: 2007/04/22 15:31

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Joliet Jake replied the topic: Re:Hello everyone

see if this helps..

The two pads on the left of the photo are the Mechanical Filtration and can be replaced periodically. No harm, no foul, they're made to be replaced and you can reuse them maybe once or twice.

On the right you see chambers that hold other types of media, and the noodles or ceramic discs etc. are the Biolgical media. In general you never replace this media, just occasionally rinse it lightly in tank water to remove any accumulated larger chunks of debris. It should get and look dirty so don't try to overclean it.

Pull a half bucket of water from your tank to do this cleaning, then simply replace the tank water as you do a normal water change. Never let any biological media dry out and cleaning it should be a quick swish through the bucket.

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Joliet Jake replied the topic: Re:Hello everyone

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The Bio Bag is made to be replaced periodically as it gets dirty. It also holds Carbon material (if needed or if added) for chemical filtration inside the pocket of the Bag. This is the Mechanical pad that gets tossed out regularly.

The Bio Foam is coarser, one piece foam and acts as Biological Filtration. This you simply rinse lightly in tank water and reuse. Dont overclean it ever, its supposed to look dirty.

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OFL replied the topic: Re:Hello everyone

Good idea Ken, you can really see what we are talking about now.

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Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words....;)

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Awesome demonstration on the exact process i need to take with my equiptment Ken, thanks a lot i am really greatful:-) Now it is very clear to me on what i need to do. I have been testing my water frequently because my Tank is fairly new. I tested it tonight after a late movie, I found my Amonia to have spiked. Its around 2.0-3.0 parts per/mil. I am a little worried because i have everything i need except ammo-lock. i have my alarm set and plan to shoot over to the pet store tomorrow. I have been feeding my little guys about 3 times per day, they are eating all the food and very well. I plan to drop my feeding to 2 times per day, apply my ammo-lock as directed and wait to retest.
1. Do you guys feel a 255 water change is necessary right away, or should i see how the tank adjust with ammo-lock
2.how long should i wait to test water again after application of ammo-lock.

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OK GUYS i HAVE A REAL PROBLEM, I READ SOME OTHER FORUMS ON AMONIA. My nitrates are 0 but i was not aware that ammonia needed to be 0 too, i am at about 2.5;-( brutal i am not gonna let them sit in that till 9 a.m. I am gonna do a water change now.

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