Little Blue Died...

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Ok, a few days later and I've got only the 2 little reds left... I'm clueless as to what is wrong. They were put in a cycled tank (the water was cycled just over a week, but it was an established/used pump and gravel). One little tiger survived and a friend (out of the good of his heart) bought me 2 other baby tigers - though 3 times bigger than the little ones. Before you could say "tiger" - it just gulped 1 of the only 3 remaining babies. The tank is 90cm tank, about 120 litres. I've removed the 2 little reds to a small tank, just for the time being - I'm cycling a new big tank for them - and hope that they might make it. I've took water samples and the dead fish to a fish specialising shop yesterday and bough an extremely expensive additional test kit. Everything tested correct, that's what I cannot for the life of me understand! I am considering cycling a total new tank and get rid of that tank - I think it must be jinxed! Hope for the best, I really don't know what to do anymore
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OFL replied the topic: Re:Little Blue Died...

New arrivals to a tank normally die for one of two reasons. Firstly stress can play a big part in their demise. However, this is normally only in the first couple of days. After then, they normally settle down. Unfortunately, it's normally water quality that sees fish off.

If you can, get some liquid tests. I highly recommend Aquarium Pharmaceuticals or Tetra

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Elsabe replied the topic: Re:Little Blue Died...

It seems as if I have found out what the problem was with my babies dying... it sounds terrible, but the one guy I took the fish to says it looks as if it was not fed regularly enough - they were too thin. I work a full day and they got food in the morning and then in the evening again. However, the last 2 fishes I took to them to try and get their weight up, to no avail, they died a week later. The to bigger oscars I got are still going strong, in the same tank, without any problems. Except that they are really messy. They are both tigers and I hope that I am more lucky with them.
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OFL replied the topic: Re:Little Blue Died...

Baby/young juvenile Oscars do need quite a lot of food. I have been feeding mine three times a day up until last week. They are now around 4 inches so I have stopped and will be feeding them twice a day. You should know if you are feeding enough, you will see a dramatic growth rates in the Oscar. If you Oscar is not growing quickly, then you are either not feeding enough, or there is something wrong.

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Joliet Jake replied the topic: Re:Little Blue Died...

Elsabe wrote:

They were put in a cycled tank (the water was cycled just over a week, but it was an established/used pump and gravel).


Elsabe,

I personally don't believe food (or lack of) was the problem. based upon what you said above, I wouldn't assume that the aquarium was even close to being cycled. Putting used gravel and a used filter is a step in the direction of cycling a tank quicker then normal but it's no magic bullet either. Adding fish after only one week really stresses the bio load and could easily have caused a mini cycle, that's assuming it was close to being cycled at all in the first place.

I added a boat load of good well established gravel to a new aquarium and 4 weeks later I'm still not nearly cycled. Not even close. Besides, just how "full" should a dead fish actually appear once you bring him to the store. Unless the person looking at it is a biologist or something, how could he possibly account for the shinkage after death etc? Besides, fish can live for quite a while without food and unless you outright starved them for days and days on end, that just doesn't make sense to me.

I just feel your tank was possibly not cycled at least not completely and adding all those babies stressed it backwards. Tropical Fish authors often write that aquariums really don't get really good (biologically) until about a year into it so what can you really expect from one measily week. Experienced aquarists do know it takes certainly months for an aquarium to really get settled in.

I don't know what kind of filter or how big the one is you transferred over but anyway unexplained fish loss (fish after fish after fish) is usually a good indicator that something drastic is wrong. That is of course unless you just don't bother to ever feed your fish which is hard to fathom too. Just my opinion, I speak for myself here in the forums..

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Elsabe replied the topic: Re:Little Blue Died...

Thanks to both of you gentlemen - I am quite convinced that cycling must have been the actual problem and not feeding (I felt terribly because I was told I "starved" them..) The 2 tigers I've got now (about 8 and 10cm) are going strong, mess really badly and eat well. However, I've got them in the same tank - don't have another tank at this stage where I can move them to. (I am recycling another tank for standby - I am definitely going to find me 2 blues again, they are so beautifull. But ja, a hard lesson learned.) I can basically see them grow day to day and they look quite happy. I feed them flakes, pellets, blood worm, Daniah and shrimp at this stage. Will keep you posted - thanks again for your sound advice.
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OFL replied the topic: Re:Little Blue Died...

Gentleman? You have never met me :laugh:

Cycling is so important, get it wrong or don't do it and it could be a death sentence for your fish.

It's quite sad that losing fish is a huge learning curve. If nothing ever went wrong, we wouldn't learn anything. Just think how much you've learnt in the last few weeks because you've had some fish fatalities. Next time, you will know what to do and what not to do.

Good luck and hope to see you around

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Joliet Jake replied the topic: Re:Little Blue Died...

I agree.

How many people (especially fish keepers) repeat the same exact mistakes over and over again and expect different results?

The fact that people (like yourself) join these forums to learn (as well as contribute) demonstrates that you for one, will rise above the viscious cycle of repeated mistakes. Each and every one of us is yet capable of making them still, so don't feel badly. We've all been there and we all could still trip up.

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casprsoscars replied the topic: Re:Little Blue Died...

Well said Mr. Jake.

First off i'd like to say to Elsabe,"Very sorry for your loss"
I've been following this tread, and this is why I love this site. These admins.(Penn & Jake) are very compassionate and really do want to help people.
Good luck With your future fish Elsabe, And coodos to you again Jake for you heart felt words of encouragement.

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Elsabe replied the topic: Re:Little Blue Died...

What a nice bunch of GENTLEMEN - of course you must all be gentlemen! Simple explanation: if you can be so compassionate and supportive and its fish we are talking about, somewhere there must be a huge "gentlemen spot" inside ;-) Thank you all for your encouragement and I am really working hard at keeping my Oscars happy. My 2 big ones are still guarding their slate and attack me when cleaning their tank, but it's OK, they're allowed anything. Will keep you posted on the 2 little tigers' development. Must say, they really tame quickly and I love their reaction when I walk into my living room. Once again, thank you... X
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