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Joliet Jake replied the topic: Re:Oscar Tank Issues;

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Light has absolutely nothing to do with your problem. Your tank is not cycled, that is your only problem at the moment.

If you buy another larger tank, my suggestion would be to keep your Oscar in the smaller tank, whatever that happens to be. Set the new tank up and get it going asap and make sure you put adequate filtration on it. Shoot for a filter that has a flow rating of 5-6 times the capacity of the tank in GPH.

Now,to speed things along in the new tank, bring home a bag (8-12) of small fish (like zebra danios or guppies) to seed the new tank as they will eat and produce ammonia to get it going in the right direction. (get small food for them too!)
Most likely, they will live or some will anyway and when its all completed and you add your Oscar in, they will become food for him. Danios and Guppies are pretty hardy fish. Avoid neon tetras (all tetras) and avoid barbs too. As a third choice I would pick plattys if the others arent available. After 4-5 weeks, your new tank might be ready to go. Dont change the water at all in the new tank, just let it go for a full month with filter running. Doing partial water changes will only prolong the cycle time. Remember, those small fish are going to be guinea pigs but thats ok.

Then, if you can keep up with almost daily water changes in your Oscar's tank, you just might keep him alive for the duration. If the tank he's in is a 55, you needn't keep it full either. For ease of water changes, only fill it about 3/4 but then the partial water changes must be frequent as less water means faster ammonia build up as well.

Lastly, dont buy any of those expensive refrigerated mystery solutions that "claim" to cycle a tank immedietely. I can tell you from experience , they don't work but sure are expensive. Good luck and keep us all posted. With some determination and allot of effort, you can keep your Oscar alive.

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Yea, Penn knows everything....

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I didn’t think the light had anything to do with it, just because it didn’t make a lot of sense, now if I were having problems with algae, it might be a different story. Well I knew I should have done a water change this afternoon, when I came home, and the ammonia level was at .25, but I decided to wait.. When I got home this evening, I did another water test, and the ammonia level was at .5, So I did a quick water change.. (Waited about 30 minuets since I changed the water.) Did another water test, and it’s only down to .25…. I’m defiantly going to have to do a water change every day!! The bad part is that I have already bought all of the Natural Spring Water that the store has. I’ve got 19 gallons of spring water left, I’ve got some tap water conditioner, that takes chorine out… If I start filling the gallons up with tap water, then adding the conditioner, will I get the same results as the spring water.. or am I going to be taking more step backwards?? And I appreciate all the help, VERY Much!!:cheer:

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Joliet Jake replied the topic: Re:Oscar Tank Issues;

I've got to say, I never heard of anyone buying and using spring water to fill their aquariums with. Bravo! (but unnecessary too.)

Here's what you do. Get yourself a clean new 5 gallon bucket and (if you have a water python fine, if not get one while at the pet store.)

Use the Bucket and fill the bucket with about 3-4 gallons at a time. get the temperature within 2 degrees of tank temmp and treat the bucket with tap water conditioner, swirling it around with your hand for a moment before you pour it into your tank.

I myself have well water and I go right from the faucet using my water python, and directly into the aquarium. I add conditioner as I'm filling the tank.
I've filled my aquariums like this for years with no side effects whatsoever. City water probably has more chlorine so treat it first. Either way, tap or well water, its still fresh water, very oxygenated and most important for you, relpaces that ammonia laden tank water.

.5 by the way is pretty high and your Oscar will not tolerate that condition for too long. Not many fish will..

SINCE you're going to get and cycle a new tank, don't be afraid to do water changes of 75%. That gets rid of most of the ammonia, and lets your fish live another day. Do it smart, hook up a python to yout faucet, fill the bucket, treat it, check for temp, asjust it and dump it in there. Dont waste money on spring water. Check the PH of your tap too, so you know what it is. (Check the tank after you refill it.).

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I was afraid of the ammonia level!! In a 5 hour time span, the ammonia went form .25 to .5, I don’t know how long he was exposed to the higher level of ammonia, I knew it had to be higher, when I got home from the fogginess of the water, it was pretty bad, couldn’t see all the way threw the tank… with the ammonia level being at .25 still, should I do another water change.. or should I give the natural spring water time...

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Joliet Jake replied the topic: Re:Oscar Tank Issues;

I think do another change, use tap water, just treat it first. Heres the thing, it isn't a certain level of ammonia that will kill your fish (although .5 is getting near deadly) it is the length of exposure to ammonia, even at lower levels. So, .25 over time will do alot of fish in.

Since this tank is just for interim and we're not trying to cycle it here, get that water out and new water in, as often as necessary. With regard to tap water conditioner, usually a capfull treats 5 gallons (or 10 gallon, read the bottle) just judge for the 3 gallons at a time. Use 1/2 capful then or 1/3 capful. Its not all that critical and a little too much will not be of harm.

Whatever the conditions are immedietely after filling your tank, thats the best it gets. Water doesn't get better (not even spring water) and it only gets worse. So if you still have a .25 reading, pull more water out.

Are you using test strips or a full blown test kit?
I have found test strips to be a tad unreliable myself.

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Test Strips…

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Joliet Jake replied the topic: Re:Oscar Tank Issues;

I myself would do enough of a water change each time (or a sucession of water changes) to get the reading close to zero.

With regard to water temperature, get it within 2 degrees, if anything on the high side. because as you pour it and transfer it, it will cool off just a hair too. better a degree or two high as opposed to a degree or two low. Aim for exact, but be satisfied if withing 2 degrees. I usually find the right temp as close as possible and just let the faucet run continually so I dont need to always readjust it.
BUT check it often to make sure it stayed the same.

HOW WERE YOU ADJUSTING THE TEMP OF YOUR SPRING WATER BEFORE YOU WERE PUTTING IT INTO THE TANK?

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Jerit replied the topic: Re:Oscar Tank Issues;

I deserve props for this one :laugh: I’ve got the spring water in the same room as the tank, which is climate controlled, it stays between 76 to 80 degrees. I’ve gotten two thermometers in the tank, one on each side, one is a stick on that came with the tank, and I bought a digital one, because I don’t necessarily trust the stick on one, but it’s been reading the exact same as the digital one… I keep the tanks water around 78 to 80 degrees ( F) and I made sure that the water that I poor in the tank is right around the same temperature!!! I’ve got an artificial log in the tank, it’s got holes on two sides of it. Every time I start messing around with the tank, weather it be switching the filters, or changing the water, he’ll swim in it, it’s really dark in it, and It his little hiding place that he goes to.. I think it’s a pretty good thing to have in the tank, because not 30 seconds after I do a water change, close the top, and turn the filters back on, he comes out of the log and starts swimming around like nothing happened..

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