worth it or not ? above tank fuge

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Looking to get a 180 gallon tank. Stocking will most likely be an Oscar and some silver dollars. Maybe a few smaller cichlids. Or just two Oscars with no other stock.
So here's my question. Total nitrate readings using my api tester out of my TAP registers between 10 and 30 ppm . It is a dark Orange color depending how you look at it . No traces of red that I can tell. My color chart is hard to read but if I look at api single test cards online it looks like it's slightly above 10 ppm.
Would adding a 40 gallon breeder in a sump type setup help keep the trates down. Would I be able to fit enough plants in that? Thinking of water lettuce or some type of fast growing plants. Without using co2 . Might also incorporate aquaponics as well . Put some pothos. Peace Lilly. Chinese evergreen into a trough type container. I'm looking to keep trates either at the same level as my tap. Or too reduce even further. Water changes wouldn't be very helpful because it has trates in it already. And I WILL not use rodi . Any other suggestions?:) thank you for your time!
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UNC-CH replied the topic: worth it or not ? above tank fuge

A sump with fast growing plants will definitely help keep nitrates down. Pothos will also make a difference. If your tap water is 10 ppm, that's good ... not much of a problem compared to 40ppm. You'll still want to keep up with water changes though. There's no way around it.

You're putting a lot of planning into your tank. That's good. Too often, people do the opposite and jump right in without hardly any thought. When are you planning on getting the tank?
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Yeah . I knew a little when I started now I just wanna start over with better knowledge . And no doubt I will change the water every week still just trying to think of better ways to reduce nitrates naturally then using an expensive and wasteful rodi. And at a local store called atlas pet store
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Btw are there any good growing plants with a ph of 8.2 ?
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Goranothos replied the topic: worth it or not ? above tank fuge

It should work.

You're looking at a lot of logistics/planning to get it right. How are you going to support a 40 gallon tank above your 180? What kind of plumbing scheme will you use? What kind of lighting for the plants? Properly done, it could look very nice. The 180 plus the sump, plus two FX6 are going to take up a lot of space in whatever room you are planning to put this all in.

The easiest way to use plants to denitrate, IMO, would be one or two AC110 HOBs full of Pothos. Just don't make the same mistake I did an put the back of your tank too close to the wall for an AC110 to fit. Once you get some water in that bad boy, moving it is a major PITA.

A denitrator is another option, as I have mentioned before. I have had very good results with mine, going from two 50% water changes a week and still reaching 40 ppm nitrates between changes, to one 50% water change a week and nitrates staying around 5 to 10 ppm. In fact, when I do a water change now, I don't help the nitrates at all because my tap water has as much or more nitrates as my tank water. I still do the WC though, because other things need to be replenished.

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I've thought about a denitrator but I've read to many things about how hard it is to maintain and what not. Trying to go in a self sustaining type of route. And I havnt really thought about how I'm going to support it yet. Most likely it will be off to the side with the water level a little higher then the dt water level. I've just got so many things I could do. Or want to try. Plants. Or using denitrate in a pvc tube. Uhg . Idk lol
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salmonator wrote: I've thought about a denitrator but I've read to many things about how hard it is to maintain and what not. Trying to go in a self sustaining type of route. And I havnt really thought about how I'm going to support it yet. Most likely it will be off to the side with the water level a little higher then the dt water level. I've just got so many things I could do. Or want to try. Plants. Or using denitrate in a pvc tube. Uhg . Idk lol


You have options, that's for sure, and I admire you for asking questions and planning ahead. I predict you will do well, whatever route you decide to take.

As for maintaining my denitrator (Aquaripure brand)......all I really do is inject 15 ml of cheap Vodka through the nutrient port twice a week. Oh, and I clean the slime out of the end of the outflow tube with a Q-Tip about once a week, and adjust the flow rate valve every couple of days. I doubt I spend more than ten minutes a week on the whole process. Seriously. You never have to open the filter up.

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salmonator replied the topic: worth it or not ? above tank fuge

Thanks ! And Yeah. How do you know how much vodka to add? And what do you adjust the flow rate for?
I guess my goals ..for having nitrates in water . . Is to be able to have my plants or whatever I use keep the nitrates down to the same level as my tap water or below .
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salmonator wrote: Thanks ! And Yeah. How do you know how much vodka to add? And what do you adjust the flow rate for?
I guess my goals ..for having nitrates in water . . Is to be able to have my plants or whatever I use keep the nitrates down to the same level as my tap water or below .


Good questions. I inject 15 ml of vodka twice a week (I do it Sunday and Thursday) simply because that is what the manual recommends for their Large size filter. John (owner) indicated to me that I could increase that to every other day, but I haven't seen a need for that.

As for the flow rate, for the Large filter it's about six drops per second. After I did it for a week or so, I was easily able to "eyeball" it without resorting to a measuring cup. It is very easy. If I see the water coming out in a stream, it's too fast. If I see "fast drops" it's perfect.

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