Strange white "line" going across my Oscar's eyes ??

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I'm the one who has 2 Oscars that I rescued when they were really small, they were both sick, but now a year later, both are much bigger and began fighting, had to separate with a piece of plexiglass, and now have them in 2 separate tanks. All is well, except my red Oscar, (the one I put into the new tank) has this strange white line going thru both of his eyes. He can still see, he has no problem seeing food when I feed him, but these lines are noticeable to me and I do not remember him having them when he was in the old tank with his partner. I used a special, soft net with very small holes to transfer him, I hope I didn't somehow injure his eyes when I had him out of the water for 5 seconds before I put him in his new tank.

This does not look like Popeye or Cloudy Eye, it's just a white line that goes across the surface of each of his eyes, both in the EXACT same spot on each eye. I'm almost beginning to wonder if it could possibly be the new lighting in the new tank he's in, even though it's pretty much the same as the lighting in his old tank where his buddy is still living...Maybe the lighting is giving me a different, more clear view of his eyes or something that I never saw in the other tank and his eyes have always been like this (?) I just don't know what it could be, never seen it before on any fish. :unsure: Water params are fine and match the other tank perfectly, temps match, used all water from first tank to the new tank (took me days of adding water little by little from their original tank while doing water changes) and 1/2 filter media from original tank too, to help push cycling along before I even put him in there, he's been in there for 2 weeks now with no probs...water is perfectly clear and I know it's not a water issue or mini-cycle. All test strips check out fine and match the other O's tank.
Just hate to start treating with meds if I don't even know what I'm treating. My Mom says to just let him be, because he is acting fine, but he's never had these white lines going across his eyes before. HOW do you upload photos on here?
Edit: Okay, I have them on Photobucket now, hopefully I will do this right.
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Must say I have not seen that before. Fish looks good otherwise, and you say his behavior is fine. Having the same thing on both eyes, I am guessing it may be an inherited/genetic thing. Still just a guess though. Not treating with meds is a good road, as you dont know what it is, if anything.


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any white spot in the eyes always signify problem...
not knowing what it is, water change always give good result...
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Thank you both so much for your replies. I tried leaving a response on here earlier, but our internet was going in and out and the whole thing got lost when I hit submit (I am losing patience with Comcast.) :pinch:
I'm glad you were able to see the photos and also glad you think he looks good otherwise. Of course I will keep up with water changes (always do) ... now I have two! (Two tanks). But I don't mind at all, just hoping this isn't some kind of injury from transport a couple weeks ago...I did go to a special store where I knew they sold soft, small-holed nets so nothing would get stuck during the move from one tank to the next, like fins, eyes, etc. I hope the net didn't touch both of his eyes and somehow left scrapes (?) He was only in the net for about 5 seconds. But catching him was very difficult (as always with Oscars.) I'm also hoping this isn't a sign that he is going blind, my worst nightmare. So I will just keep an eye on him and keep up with water changes to keep everything perfect. He doesn't eat as well as his next door buddy, (Tiger Oscar), the one he would usually beat up and why they are now separated. My Tiger will eat anytime, all the time. But this Red Oscar with the eye prob. seems to only prefer eating in the evening. I don't bother feeding him during the day anymore, he just leaves it and then I end up vacuuming it all up before things get messy. But right around 6-7 p.m. is when he gets hungry and then he eats pretty well. Other than that, he really does seem perfectly fine. This eye thing has me stumped, couldn't find this symptom anywhere on Google, all I kept getting was Cloudy Eye or Popeye and this just doesn't look like that. This is something else. And it will probably always bother me, but what can I do? He managed to bite me 3 times today, so as of right now, his vision seems to be ok. :laugh:
Thanks again, I will be snooping around here just in case you have anything more to add or anything else I could/should do. :)
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Eye problems can also be linked to nutritional issues. Can you tell us exactly what the fish eats? Also would like to know the tank size and what you do for a water change regimen. Frequency and volume per change please.


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Hi again,

He eats baby shrimp-canned fish food, regular-sized shrimp, blood worm cubes (broken up), and salmon. He will not eat krill like the other guy does, just as the other guy refuses to eat the worms, I've tried many times. I always know what they'll eat and what they won't eat. He also goes crazy for a little chicken, I do this when he starts to get too fussy and pulls a hunger strike for no apparent reason...but usually I stick to the above 4 food choices. Since he's been in the new tank, I've been doing 1/3 water changes daily. But some days differ, if there is some food that sinks to the bottom or poo just sitting there and looking obvious, I will go in there and vacuum it up. Or if their water gets a "lake water" smell to it, I will do a 50% - either tank, until the water smells like nothing. I know their water is perfect when it smells like absolutely nothing. Right now I'm not doing anything too drastic with the new tank he's in, only because it's still fairly new and I would hate to upset things. Most of the water, filter media, and decor is from the old tank. And the water is crystal clear, and I know it's cycled. In the past, I've learned to not go too wild with big water changes and a new tank, I've messed up cycles that way...so for now I'm doing a 1/3 on his tank daily.

He is a fussy eater, and gets into his moods. The other O (Tiger) is a lot more happy-go-lucky and extremely friendly. This guy with the eye problem is more sensitive and serious, always has been. Also, he was the aggressor in the tank when they were still together, always picking fights with the big Tiger Oscar, and still trying to fight even through the plexiglass. They were both the same size when I rescued them, maybe the length of my pinky finger. Now he is about 8 inches long, and my black Oscar is about 10. But he's a little rounder/taller than my Tiger....Tiger is longer but doesn't have the height that this one does. This Oscar (the one with the eye lines) attacks me a lot when I'm trying to do water changes....he's doing it more and more lately, making it really difficult to do it..because he sort of backs up, plans his attack, and then just lunges at my hand and the siphon, sometimes getting very close to the surface and I get so nervous he'll somehow jump out. TREMENDOUS speed. Painful bites, too.. usually breaking the skin and I have to take a time-out to stop the bleeding before I get back in there. But at least I know he can still see, if he has no problem finding my hand and nipping away. To be honest, I dread cleaning his tank, only because of the way he attacks. I don't mind doing water changes one bit, but when he fights me the whole time, it just takes so much longer. He has a way of making a simple job very, very, complicated. :pinch: :laugh: There is no fighting going on through the glass between the 2 tanks, (surprisingly) :woohoo: they just look at each other a lot, and at night both sleep as close to each other as possible, meaning, red Oscar all the way to the right of his tank, Tiger all the way to the left of his, so it's as if they're still side-by-side when they were in the same tank. Each tank is a 75-gallon. Both tanks are at 80 degrees.

Let me know if you think he might possibly need more insects in his diet. I've only tried the worms so far, but I also see canned dehydrated crickets at Meijer, I think it's for reptiles or some other pet....but I've been looking at them wondering if they'd be good for him. (?) Wasn't sure. And when I'm not sure, I don't do anything until I know for sure. ;) Thanks Suprd71
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Marie0717 wrote: Hi all,
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Thanks in advance :)


considering the white lines occurs on both eyes, i suspect early stage of ammonia burn...
whenever i have high ammonia at my silver aro tank, he always show something like that...
with good water change, the cataract like white stuff gone the following day
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Marie0717 wrote: Hi all,
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considering the white lines occurs on both eyes, i suspect early stage of ammonia burn...
whenever i have high ammonia at my silver aro tank, he always show something like that...
with good water change, the cataract like white stuff gone the following day


Okay, I'm back with an update. Once I heard possible ammonia burn, I panicked and did a 60% water change first thing today. He must have attacked me about 30 times until he finally tired himself out. I didn't touch the gravel. 2 reasons: 1.) I didn't want to disturb any new/good bacteria that could possibly be trying to grow there. 2.) He wouldn't let me. He just wouldn't let my hand go in deep enough today, extra-aggressive. So I decided to just take 60% of the water out, and put 60% fresh water back in (with drops, of course.)

Last night, I thought I was already possibly seeing an improvement in his eyes, but I wasn't sure if it was just my imagination. But today, it's safe to say that about 50% of the line is gone on each of his eyes. He only has about half of it left (on both), and it's right in the center. The long line that went across the lens is now half, and smaller. Even asked my Mom to verify, and she said she didn't see the lines at all anymore. (But she can't see close-up as well as I can.) But the fact that she can't see them at all, when she definitely did before, means that for sure there is an improvement. :) :) :) So you're right, the extra water change did indeed help. For tomorrow, how much should I do? Remember, it's still a pretty new tank. THANK YOU ALL for your help so far...
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Good news. Couple of points... you should be testing your water with a liquid test kit. Strips are not accurate at all. You need to be vaccing the gravel. Most of your bacteria is held in your filters bio media. Whatever is in the gravel is out weighed by fish waste, which contributes to elevation of toxins in the water. Large water changes do not affect the cycle, as long as you use dechlorinator, if necessary. You can change 80% every day, it only benefits the fish. Diet is quite poor imo, but I wont state that this has anything to do with the eye line. Your Oscars should be having a quality pellet for a staple, and possibly some of what you use now for weekly treats. Try some fruit pieces. Orange, mango pears. Extra vitamin does wonders. Can you tell us what brand and size of filters you have on each tank? Possible you may be underfiltered, never a good thing


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Suprd71 wrote: Good news. Couple of points... you should be testing your water with a liquid test kit. Strips are not accurate at all. You need to be vaccing the gravel. Most of your bacteria is held in your filters bio media. Whatever is in the gravel is out weighed by fish waste, which contributes to elevation of toxins in the water. Large water changes do not affect the cycle, as long as you use dechlorinator, if necessary. You can change 80% every day, it only benefits the fish. Diet is quite poor imo, but I wont state that this has anything to do with the eye line. Your Oscars should be having a quality pellet for a staple, and possibly some of what you use now for weekly treats. Try some fruit pieces. Orange, mango pears. Extra vitamin does wonders. Can you tell us what brand and size of filters you have on each tank? Possible you may be underfiltered, never a good thing


Hi Suprd71 :) Neither of my them will eat any type of pellet. You have no idea how many different brands I have tried. It just floats around at the top. In fact, the Red Oscar starts pretending to "regurge" just at the sight of them. I've never seen 2 fish who hate pellets more than mine do. But I will definitely up the water changes and gravel cleanings if you say it won't affect the cycle. Good, I'm glad about that. I have two 40 Whisper Filters going in each tank. I will have to give the fruit treats a go to see if they like them as well. Red Oscar bit me pretty bad again, my whole finger tip. Quick question: Safest gloves I can wear for water changes? He will no longer let me get down to the gravel to vacuum, today's bite was horrible and all I felt was razor blade teeth. It's all a game to him and he seriously enjoys it. :laugh: Oh, and thanks for the advice. I remember everything you guys tell me...
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