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Help please, i have a female oscar with a swollen belly, and bluging eyes. One of her tank mates , is thin and both are laying on their sides on the bottom of the tank. The other oscar is fine, but sits down the bottom with them. They are in a 275liter tank, with exturnal canasta filter, all well tests came back normal. I did have to change the food for a month as it is not sold where i live, i used Aqua 1 ciclid food, but i am now back on to Hakari ciclid bio gold. Can anyone help. Im useing WIPE OUT in their tank, and have done 2 water changes in the last week , befor i started the wipe out treatment. Have fish antybotic, but was told to hold off to see if the wipe out works, please help as i love my fish.Thanks Bec
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Hi there Bec,

We will do our best, however the Oscar with the swollen belly and bulging eyes does rather sounds like it's quite ill and I am not going to make any promises that we can save its life. A swollen belly can often be a sign of a serious illness. Unfortunately, it's more of a symptom than an illness, this means you don't treat the swollen stomach, you have to find out what's causing the swollen stomach first. And trying to diagnose illnesses in fish is notoriously difficult.

Unfortunately, your tank is rather small for two Oscars. However, we won't worry about that for the moment.

You say all tests came back normal? Who did the testing? Exactly what were the results? We will need to know exactly what readings came up from the water testing for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH.

How is your tank maintenance regime? How often do you change the water? Do you clean the filters very often? If so, how do you do it?

Is it possible you can take some video on your phone and use www.photobucket.com to include it on the forum? We can then get an idea of what is going on. Failing that, a photograph may be helpful.

I'm sure some of our other helpful members well chime in with some advice as well. But we need those water test results fast, there's not much we can do without knowing exactly what your water is doing.

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DRACO replied the topic: HELP PLEASE, SICK OSCARS

welcome to the community...

yes, i agree with OFL... bulging eyes is a sign that fish is sick... and applying med
without knowing what causes it will be a waste of resources....
when you do the 2 water change, did you clean the filter too?
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Hi, i did first water change 10 days ago and one 7 days later, i cleaned filters and always suck the gravel.Filter was dirty as i have not cleaned it for a while. ammonia 0ppm, nitrite 0ppm, nitrate 20ppm and pH 7. I did the tests myself, but were done after the first water change. I usally change water every 10 -14 days and alway clean the gravel.
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Bec replied the topic: HELP PLEASE, SICK OSCARS

I took the sick oscar out of the tank today for a closer look, she was very slimey, as silmey as a slug, i never felt or seen this in any of my tanks befor. Ithought this info may help. Iwipe off some slime, to see if that may help.
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Suprd71 replied the topic: HELP PLEASE, SICK OSCARS

Hello Bec, what you have is fish that are showing the results of living in poor water. I know you claim your tests are good, but showing 20ppm nitrate AFTER a water change says levels were far higher before the change. 20 is the recommended level when a water change should happen, not post change. Tank bioload is extreme due to overstock. You need likely something like 75% water change every 3 days just to maintain a decent tank. Now that fish are ill, you need more. Like every day. Clean water is always the first step in any treatment, as no med will have a positive effect in iffy water. I dont know what Wipeout is, but the name alone suggests some chemical gimmic that you shouldnt be using. I may be mistaken on that, but likely not. Excess slime is the fish's natural slime coat , but more than usual as it tries to combat the effects of toxins in the water. All symptoms you describe are directly related to water quality. You may be able to get the fish on the improvement track, but you need to further address the overstock. Tank is really not even big enough for one adult Oscar. For now, clean up the water.


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Bec replied the topic: HELP PLEASE, SICK OSCARS

Hi, thanks for the reply, saddly i lost my girl today, i opened her up to see if i could see anything wrong, and she was full of poo, she has not eaten in over a week and so should have been empty. I do have a much larger tank for them but have not set it up yet, as i only got it a week ago, its 8ft x 2ft x 2.6ft, how many adult oscars do u think that will take ?. I got my oscars from a guy that keep them both in a smaller tank then what i had them in, and he said they were fine, i should have looked into it a bit further back then, and bought a larger tank for them sooner. As for the water your right, after the first water change i did the water test a week later befor i did the second water change, so levels would have been up. I think one of the problems is i was unable to get their hikari fish food for a month and put then on the only cichlid food i could get, that was aquar one cichlid pellets. I do belive the change in food had alot to do with their health, and the poor water quality would have helped her on her way to becomeing blocked up. Thanks everyone for your advice and help, the male looks fine now, he is swimming and eatting normal, i think he was solking as she was ill, and as soon as she died he is looking normal, and eatting well.
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OFL replied the topic: HELP PLEASE, SICK OSCARS

Hi there Bec, sorry to hear about your fish, that was sad. Sounds as if he died from a block intestine, probably suffered from internal poisoning or something. I don't suppose we will ever really know.

Regarding your new 8 foot tank. My advice would be not to cram as many Oscars as you can into the tank but to have two Oscars only and complement the tank with some really nice tank mates, that will make for an awesome aquarium. If you put more than two Oscars then you run the risk of creating territorial problems and aggression. Two Oscars will hopefully mean they will get along together, you may even end up with a breeding pair. But having just the two Oscars will mean you will have quite a bit of space for other fish, maybe some mid swimming fish like silver dollars, maybe a couple of catfish that will be active at night.

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Suprd71 replied the topic: HELP PLEASE, SICK OSCARS

Sorry for the lost fish Bec. At very least I expect you gained some valuable info. 8ft tank... yahoo! Tons of options there for stocking, but I very much agree with TheBoss, in that trying for a pile of Oscars is not a good direction. One concern with the big tank is filtration. Do you have the filters for it yet? Will take lots of filter whether its a big sump, multiple canisters etc. I would stock the big tank lightly until filters are seeded enough to handle more fish. Finally, we would love to see some pics or video of the final outcome!


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