Plant Sump?

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I'm really considering getting a sump for my 150 gallon tank. It will be mainly just for my plants. I guess I should have asked first but I learned first hand that SDs are like lawnmowers lol. At first, I didn't really pay much attention to the floating leaves I see every morning but when I did my water change I saw the trio munching on the stem of my amazon sword plants. What's worse, today I woke up to uprooted plants. I'm starting to think that live plants will not last long in my tank. Between the SDs and Kaiden (maybe?), I think I have about 10% chance of getting these plants to grow enough to help keep my nitrates low.

So that leads me to consider running a sump...I've been reading about it and as far as I've gathered: I'll need an overflow box, water pump and of course the sump. I heard a 30 gallon tank would work but I guess I'll need to install some baffles on it? Which I'm not sure how to properly design. Also, I'm unsure what type of overflow and pump I should get.

I don't really have any experience on it so I'm a little intimidated by the thought of it. I'm afraid I'll wake up to a flooded basement if I lose power or do this wrong. :pinch:

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Rocksor replied the topic: Re: Plant Sump?

Modify a CPR overflow, and turn it into a Herbie overflow to reduce flooding possibilities.

There are some DIY videos on creating a sump and overflow. Maybe watch the videos and practice before adding it to your aquarium.
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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: Re: Plant Sump?

I you want a plant that cichlids & SD's won't mess w/, get some Java Fern. It must really be distasteful, because my Jag won't touch it, yet he absolutely crushed all my other plants(real & plastic).

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WATER CHANGES ARE THE LIFEBLOOD OF THIS HOBBY. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE SO OR SIMPLY DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING THEM, RE-HOME YOUR FISH, SELL YOUR AQUARIUM & FIND ANOTHER HOBBY, AS YOU WILL FAIL UTTERLY, COMPLETELY, & MISERABLY.
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Kaiser replied the topic: Re: Plant Sump?

Don't those grow slow though? I was about to buy some of those but I was told that they are slow growers.

@Rocksor: I've read that Herbie overflow only works with drilled tank. Is that true? There was also some other types of overflow like Stockman and Durso. What's the main difference between the 3?
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Nina_W replied the topic: Re: Plant Sump?

The main difference between the three is how they allow you to regulate the amount of air going down your tube, to reduce gurgling noises.

The durso is the one I know, so let me start there: it's basically an inlet pipe with a valve at the top to allow you to increase/decrease airflow into the tube. It can go into an overflow. www.dursostandpipes.com/make-your-own-diy

The stockman is an adapted durso, it doesn't use a valve, but a whole screw on/off cap thing. lava.lounge111.net/diy_stockman_mod.htm

The herbie (that I discovered thanks to Rocksor) is basically a two - drain system where you use one drain as a siphon and one as a regulating/failsafe drain. The trick with it is that you need a really good valve. I don't quite know how this would go on a non-drilled tank, perhaps Rocksor can help. It is quiet because siphons are quiet. marine-engineers.org/2011/07/05/the-herbie-overflow/

Yes, Java fern growns slow. Since your fish won't be in with the plants, look into some fast growing nitrate hogs - hornwort?
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Rocksor replied the topic: Re: Plant Sump?

The herbie will work on a non-drilled tank. You just have to have an HOB overflow that has two intakes. The guy in the video uses a dual intake CPR overflow with an aqualifter. You will see the main drain takes in the a full siphon, while the other drain is slightly higher in case the main fails. With an HOB overflow, you have another factor to worry about, which is losing siphon.



explanations for overflow

www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?219465-DIY-Overflow-101-The-Mysteries-Explained

For HOB you have to get the siphon started by sucking the air out, unlike a built-in overflow. FYI (for Nina), he is using the Bean Animal 3 intake overflow with an HOB system:

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Kaiser replied the topic: Re: Plant Sump?

Thanks guys! I'm still trying to study more about sumps/overflow. I don't want to rush into it and end up with a flooded basement.

Instead of using PVC pipes though, can I use a flexible hose?
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Rocksor replied the topic: Re: Plant Sump?

You can use a flexible hose from the overflow box to the sump. The disadvantage is that you can't shorten the length of the hose. Many pre built sumps come with a flexible hose.
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Nina_W replied the topic: Re: Plant Sump?

Rocksor, thank you! I'm learning more about sump adaptations than I ever imagined existed :)
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Kaiser replied the topic: Re: Plant Sump?

Thanks to both of you!

One last question (for now...), can I put like a shut off/control valve on a flexible hose? That will just give me some peace of mind in case there's a power outage or any other emergency that may cause things to overflow.
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