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hello all, i just wanted to update you on my baby oscar. i have had him now for 3 months since buying him at 2 1/2 inches from my LPS. and to date he is only 3 inches long. he eats what i believe to be a healthy amount, but this is my first real oscar so this could be wrong. and my water is perfect.
0 ammonia
0 nitrite
20-30 nitrate
and about 70Ph
79 degrees
55 gallons
and i do a water change every sunday. (25-30%)
3 pictus catfish (2-3 inches)
2 blue dragon goby's (4 and 7 inches, ill find a new home for them later as they will get too big with my oscar for that tank)
and plenty of places for them to hide and live.

i feed my oscar hikari gold cichlid pellets. about 4 times a day, 2 pellets each. (wont eat more than that)

am i doing something wrong? or is he just a runt that wont grow? i am kind of worried that he wont grow and he will die because of it (apparently intestines keep growing and will kill them) should i be worried?
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Matt replied the topic: Re: growth defect?

Only 1/2 an inch in 3 months, something is definitely off. You only feed him 2 pellets at a time lol, mine ate like horses from the day I brought them home. My rule of thumb for feeding is continue offering food for 3 minutes. If they stop at any time before 3 minutes is up that's fine, but I will afford them the opportunity to eat as much as they want during feeding time.

Your tank and water all seem fine, a tad small, but your fish aren't huge monsters yet. I would try setting a timer for 3 minutes and just drop in pellets 1 at a time until he stops eating or 3 minutes is up.

My tank is rather full and so I drop a few pellets, 3-5 at a time, to promote good competition for food.

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Big-Ken replied the topic: Re: growth defect?

my Oscar is 2 1/2 months old and he is just about 5" and I fee him twice a day 25-30 pellets at a time so there is diffently something not right with your guy. Also up untill a week ago he was in a 55g with some tank mates so that's not it
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Noddy replied the topic: Re: growth defect?

Now everything seems to be pretty much perfect.
I see nothing unusual in your story.
Maybe you could try to add some other foods to his diet.
Like some bloodworms, earthworms or small mealworms. And maybe lessen the frequenty of the feedings, to see if he gains appetite.(allthough 8 pellets a day is surely enough)
I fed some ciclid sticks in the morning and some bloodworms at night, but my O did grow faster.
On the other hand, it may be a slow grower. Growthrates and adult sizes do differ from fish to fish.
From what i've seen f.e. Lutino's tend to grow a little slower than Red's or Tigers.

But as long as he has got some appetite and is acting normal, i wouldn't worry too much yet. Can we see some pictures of your fish?
Does he look healthy?

Mind you, my O stopped eating cichlid sticks completely, when he was young and i switched to feeding mealworms.
After which he didn't eat anything else, besides bugs and worms for over a year. :unsure:
So if you decide to put some variation into his diet, make sure you keep feeding some pellets on the side, so you don't " spoil " him too much.
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jsvalenti replied the topic: Re: growth defect?

Both of my oscars have grown 3 inches in 7 weeks. I give them 15-20 med cichlid gold pellets 2x a day. I also give them plain baked chicken pieces as a treat a few times a week. Even after all that they are both still ravenous. Maybe try giving him a variety of foods with your pellets.?

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Noddy replied the topic: Re: growth defect?

jsvalenti wrote: I also give them plain baked chicken pieces as a treat a few times a week. Even after all that they are both still ravenous. Maybe try giving him a variety of foods with your pellets.?


I aggree on trying a more varied diet or different brand of food allthough i advice against feeding "terrestrial" protein and fat, like chicken to your fish, not even as a treat.
Especially if it's baked...
They will eat that and may even like it very much, but can have a real hard time digesting that kind of protein.

One other thought on the OP's story:
Is it possible that the fish has been in the LPS for a long time? :dry: :unsure:
If so, his growth may be stunted, with all the bad effects by that stunting ,for the LPS i know feed their fish as little as possible, to make sure they don't burst out of their tanks before getting sold.
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Cichliddle_freak replied the topic: Re: growth defect?

i do give some variety of food =/ some brine shrimp and blood worms as treats. he got hooked on them and wouldnt eat pellets or anything for about 14 days. so now im getting him back on pellets.

i also tried the 3 minute rule, but he grabs 1 SMALL pellet, eats it, spits half out and then hes done. wont come back up to get more. sometimes he eats both, but its not as common.

i also have veggie pellets for the pictus catfish and goby's which he seems to like. but they are tiny, maybe half the size of a small cichlid pellet, and he will eat maybe 4 of them.

he is a great looking O, and i have a couple pictures on my account here. ill try to get some pics of my tank and him later.... i just dont know whats wrong =/ its really worrying me.
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jsvalenti wrote: I also give them plain baked chicken pieces as a treat a few times a week. Even after all that they are both still ravenous. Maybe try giving him a variety of foods with your pellets.?


I aggree on trying a more varied diet or different brand of food allthough i advice against feeding "terrestrial" protein and fat, like chicken to your fish, not even as a treat.
Especially if it's baked...
They will eat that and may even like it very much, but can have a real hard time digesting that kind of protein.

One other thought on the OP's story:
Is it possible that the fish has been in the LPS for a long time? :dry: :unsure:
If so, his growth may be stunted, with all the bad effects by that stunting ,for the LPS i know feed their fish as little as possible, to make sure they don't burst out of their tanks before getting sold.


Oh ok thanks Noddy! I didn't know it was so hard for them to digest. I will stick to sea-food! :woohoo:

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also the fats will harm the fish.
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