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Hey All,

I'm new to the forum so please go easy :-) been keeping fish for a good while and have had my current two tigers for around 3-4 years with no issues at all.

Currently they share a 90G tank and up until a few days ago both where very healthy.

It looks like the smaller one (around 7-8") is sick with something

All levels in the tank are zero, been testing every day for over a week. I do water 25-50% water changes every week and clean the filter media once a month (carbon and micro)

Water is clear and no smell coming off it.


so now the fish.....

he's been sat at the bottom on the tank for about a week, I've treat him for hole in the head and he seemed to have those symptoms and I'm currently treating with epsom salts as he's bloated (scales are not sticking out) and not eating / pooping.


My best guess at this point is egg bound, intestinal blockage or bloat but I would love to get other peoples view on things.


The other O is currently fine with no signs of sickness.



thanks and I look forward to your reply.
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Rogue_Violetta replied the topic: Sick Tiger

This may sound like a strange question, but have you separated the fish? You didn't specify.

What do you use to check the levels in the tank with? What type of filter/s do you use?

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jdjames123 replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Hi,

No I've not split them up as I do not have a hospital tank.

As for the filter and such....

I have a fluval 406, standard air pump, water temp is around 27C.


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Lammergeier replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Hi Jon,

To help you I need you to be more specific regarding your water test results, and have lots of questions for you. What were the concentrations of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate, and what test kit do you use? What foods do you give your oscars? What dosage of epsom salts are you using, and how are you administering it? When you clean your filters, how do you rinse the filter media? What dechlorinator do you use? Finally, when was the last time your sick oscar pooped or ate?

As for what's wrong with your oscar, please post a video or picture as it is difficult to determine what might be wrong based on a description alone. However, the underlying cause of your oscar's issues is most likely poor water quality. Your tank is both underfiltered and overstocked, and your water change schedule is grossly insufficient for two adult oscars in a 90 gallon tank. The colour or smell of your water is no indication of what levels of ammonia, nitrite or nitrate you have.

The fact that your oscars are 3 - 4 years old, and your smaller one is only 7 - 8" indicates to me that at their growth is stunted which is directly related to poor water quality. Hole in the head is also directly caused by your poor water. The only known cures for HITH are clean water and a good diet.

To help in the short term, aside from posting a picture and your water test results, I would suggest doing a 20% w/c today, 30% tomorrow, 40% the day after and 50% daily after that to try and improve the quality of your water. Re-dose the epsom salts to the same level you currently have them in your tank (eg: if your current concentration in your tank is 1tb/5gal put in new water that has that same concentration).

Long term, you need to be aware that your tank is only large enough for one oscar, and even with only one oscar you would need to do a 50 - 75% w/c weekly to keep the water quality acceptable (nitrates <20ppm). To keep your fish healthy long term you will either have to find a second tank of 75gal or larger, or rehome one of your oscars.
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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Can you please post a video of this aquarium? Makes diagnosis much easier.

How do you test the water parameters? With your stocking level & WC schedule & amount, it is biologically impossible to have zero readings across the board. Also, please understand that clear water does not = clean water. After 3-4 years, your Oscars should be far larger than 8".

How long has this tank been set up & how long has the canister been in operation? FYI, carbon is unnecessary & can actually hide problems. Also, cleaning the "micro" pads every month will disturb the biological filter, unless you have bio-balls, ceramic noodles, etc. as a dedicated biological bed.

Unfortunately, a 90GL aquarium is not sufficient for 2 Oscars, so after we heal it up, you will have some hard choices.

25-50% WC's per week are also insufficient, regardless of filtration. I would do 75-90% 2X per week. Overstocking & insufficient WC's are the root cause of many issues.

EDIT: Sorry for any double posts, I was composing this when Lammergeier posted. But this will just reinforce some of the root causes of your issues. Also, please be aware that we are not stating any of this to "dig into" you....just trying to make you aware of what you need to change to be successful in the hobby.

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jdjames123 replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Hi Lammergeier / Darth Nandopsis,


Many Thanks for the responses, I will try to answer all the questions.

1. I use the API Master test kit for water testing, all levels come out at the MIN (sorry in the office right now and I don't have the records on hand). from memory PH was fine but I can't remember the number off hand

2. Food - I feed them Nutrafin Max Cichlid pellets with the odd blood worm mix every now and then

3. epsom salts - 1 TB/s per 5 Gallon, I'm dissolving in water before adding to tank

4. When cleaning the filter I never wash the media under tap water, to date I've never had a problem with the bio filter dieing off.

5. dechlorinator - I use the Nutrafin A7930 Aqua Plus Water Conditioner

6. Last time he/she pooped / ate - must be almost 4 days

7. The size might be wrong, I will try to size him tonight.

8. It does appear that whatever the issue is, its not Hole in the head as I've treated for this to no avail. The other tiger is perfectly healthy.

9. I've been doing water changes every day since this started ranging from 20-50% and the epsom salts is a new thing (24 hours at the min)

10. The canister has been running without issue for many years, I have Bio-Max Rings and bio foam aswell, neither of which I wash under tap water.


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ernie replied the topic: Re:Sick Tiger

Sorry to Labour the point but it is very important that we know your water parameter levels. To say that your levels are at the minimum does not help. I suspect your water conditions are the main cause of your problem.You have been given some seriously good info by Darth and Lam I am sure we can help once we get your readings.Welcome to OFL.
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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: Sick Tiger

As requested, please post a video for diagnosis.

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WATER CHANGES ARE THE LIFEBLOOD OF THIS HOBBY. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE SO OR SIMPLY DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING THEM, RE-HOME YOUR FISH, SELL YOUR AQUARIUM & FIND ANOTHER HOBBY, AS YOU WILL FAIL UTTERLY, COMPLETELY, & MISERABLY.
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jdjames123 replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Hey Guys,

ok sorry for the delay, work has been busy.

So I just did a new water test and I've got these results


gh - 180
kh - 80
ph - 7.5 - 8
no2 - 0
no3 - 80


I'm currently doing a 50% water change.

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Suprd71 replied the topic: Sick Tiger

80 nitrate is very dangerous and a 50% change will only give you 40, still too high. Take the water down until the fish just has enough to swim. Then do it again tomorrow. Also keep in mind that the higher the Ph, the more dangerous high toxics are. You must keep nitrate at 10 or less for an ailing Oscar.


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