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Craigsfish replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Suprd71 wrote: 80 nitrate is very dangerous and a 50% change will only give you 40, still too high. Take the water down until the fish just has enough to swim. Then do it again tomorrow. Also keep in mind that the higher the Ph, the more dangerous high toxics are. You must keep nitrate at 10 or less for an ailing Oscar.


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don't forget to De-chlorinate the large mass of fresh water..
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jdjames123 replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Thanks all, yeah I got a new testing kit (dip tests) and its showed that number....so I'm wondering if there is an issue with my master kit....

anyway, I've done the water change and will let it settle now.


Thanks everyone for pointers so far, hopefully he/she will pull through.
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Suprd71 replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Here is one of my 125's. Single 2yr old Tiger, about a foot long. Canister and 2 big hob's. 75%w/c twice a week, nitrate barely over 5 at all times. Very healthy and happy Oscar.


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thanks, yeah my other Tiger is perfectly fine which is why I'm thinking if this one has a tumor or maybe eggs.....I guess we will see from the outcome.


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Craigsfish replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Amazing what fresh water does!
@ Suprd71....GO PENS!
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jdjames123 replied the topic: Sick Tiger

its also surprising what sarcasm does.........
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Craigsfish replied the topic: Sick Tiger

No sarcasm, there is only one reason that nitrates would be over 80, that's poor water regardless of anything else.
I do hope you get it in check and wish you good luck for the sake of your Oscar...
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Suprd71 replied the topic: Sick Tiger

Craigsfish wrote: Amazing what fresh water does!
@ Suprd71....GO PENS!


lol

Hijacking the thread for a brief comment. Get real Craig. That grand total of 2 goals scored in a 4 game sweep 2 yrs ago was most impressive. Those high flying crybabies just couldnt handle the fury of THE BEAR! Case closed.


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Lammergeier replied the topic: Sick Tiger

jdjames123 wrote: thanks, yeah my other Tiger is perfectly fine which is why I'm thinking if this one has a tumor or maybe eggs.....I guess we will see from the outcome.


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No, I'm as sure as I can be if your nitrate is at 80ppm that this would be the root cause of your oscar's problems. Some fish have a hardier constitution than others, but I can pretty much guarantee you that it will only be a matter of time until your other oscar gets problems as well with nitrates at that level.

Re: The master kit, you need to shake the no. 2 nitrate bottle really vigorously, and for a couple of minutes to get an accurate reading with it, not just the 30s recommended on the bottle. If it isn't used for a while the metal crystals in it precipitate at the bottom. Sometimes you even need to whack the bottle against a hard surface to jostle them back into solution.
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This isn't sarcasm, this is an actual story of what happened, shortened.

I inherited a tank from a friend who was moving house, and didn't have room for it. No matter what I did, the water was really bad. We used dip sticks, but they were never consistent. The water was showing as really hard, yet the tap water wasn't. Everything was through the roof, and water changes didn't help.

Lammergeier came over a few times (she's one of my besties, and the reason my fish are still alive- her and Mr Lamm.), and tested my water. I had a sand substrate, rocks of different kinds, and a live plant I'd bought to, well, have a plant.



One of my fish is visible here.

Well, it was getting worse, so I changed everything. Lamm had given me a few fake plants, some extra terracotta pieces, and some left over gravel when I told her what was going to happen. We sifted the gravel in the tank out of the sand, removed every rock, and started over from scratch.



Water cloudy, looks like crap. Fish weren't very active at all. Water changes didn't help.

Then, they got very sick. My little Sarah-Jane was hit the hardest. I was worried sick, I thought they were going to die. I didn't know what to do.



Sarah Jane sat like this gasping for ages. I called Lamm up, in a panic. They looked into getting some anti biotics from a LFS, who asked questions, and said "This is what she needs.". It was a gravel filter. And my fish were suffering from nitrate shock. The nitrates had been so high for so long, that they couldn't handle it anymore, and were dying. Sarah Jane being the smallest was hit the hardest.

I had to gravel vac my tank, while getting water out to 1/3 left. Then I had to add clean, fresh water in increments, every hour to half hour, to avoid shocking the fish- they were still used to high nitrate. And then I had to do it again for a few days until the levels came down to acceptable limits. They nearly didn't make it. 10 fish nearly died, because of my lack of knowledge.

Clean, fresh water saved their lives. They now live in that tank still, I've changed a few ornaments around, and they love it, and are highly active. They follow us around, and play. They're a joy to watch.



So, if you think anyone is being sarcastic here about what clean, fresh water can do, think again. This is where Lamm got her info that helped me. And most problems in fact, CAN be solved with clean water. Remember, in the wild, there's certain water quality they're used to- my fish are from streams. They're not used to all those nasty high levels. Especially since mine are also most likely wild caught.

It doesn't change. Bred in aquaria or not, the needs remain the same. Your smaller fish may be hit harder because of the fact that that fish is smaller. As you can see in the photos I posted, many of which I have never posted on this site, the changes are visible. Don't put your fish through what mine did. Listen to the people here, because the advice they give you, quite possibly will save the life of your oscar, like it did for my loaches, and many other people.

Don't use the dip sticks. Use the bottle api master test kit, just make sure to wash after using (Yes, Mr Lamm, I do that now!), and shake the crap out of the bottles, as they seem to sometimes settle. They're not wrong, it just means something is wrong in your tank, like there was in mine.

P.S. Look around for a cheap smaller tank- I picked up a 2ft for $40 with pretty much everything for a quarantine tank, and am going to be using it in about a week, when I get some more fish for that 4ft loach tank.

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