NEED HELP Oscar Fish HITH LLE?

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Difference is, you had 4 points. I wouldn't say he is really undersized to be honest, but thats your opinion. I get what is the best for my fish, and i know i dont have THE BEST. but i am working with what i got, i cant afford a 50 gallon at this time. and jesus christ, whats with everyone assuming I DONT WANT TO DO THE CHANGES? I work full time at a venue that requires weeks on end. I get it, ill do more water changes, and test my water parameters more often.
What mainly gets me about everyone telling me im going to stunt my fish, and that hes gonna have tons of health problems, and what not, just cause hes in a smaller tank, doesnt quite make enough sense to me. As I HAVE seen Oscars thrive. Ffs, my friend did eff all to his water, added table salt not aquarium salt, has like 7 other aggressive fish that are 4 inches big, to go with an oscar in a 20 GALLON! I know thats INSANE, and im not saying your wrong to suggest i need a bigger tank. My point is thats the last of my concerns right now, cause i have seen it work. a 50 gallon is in the future, no doubt about it. I will do the 75% changes you suggest, and will order some Boyd Vitachem and start mixing that iwth his food weekly.

I don't wish to be challenged on every turn what i don't have, because money doesnt grow on trees and 50 gallons are like 500 bucks. Note i have stupid untreated adhd, and a lot of what i say can get lost in translation. I look back and me saying semi regularly water changes, yes that sounds lazy, but the Oscar has been on his own or with this pleco for only 2 months in this tank, and i have been doing changes probably slightly more then 1 time every two weeks. Also keep in mind I was an idiot and had him with blue johannis and demasonis and bumblebee cichlids, who i bet probably stunted some of that growth with nippings. I just didnt think through how much heat i would get for wording it that way. Thank YOU for your advice, as it actually was constructive.

Now, for what i have RIGHT NOW. i need help with, telling me to go buy a tank doesnt help although its a good suggestion. I have this seachem metroplex, should i start using this? i will do 2 changes this week in water and will continue with 75% changes weekly as you suggested. Also if you can mention any foods that you use with your oscars that are high quality id love to hear that as well. I am changing my profile picture to a more clear picture of his side, where I get nervous of his "sewing stitching" lateral line.
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Rocksor replied the topic: NEED HELP Oscar Fish HITH LLE?

Get a test kit, and test the water out of your tap, nitrates, nitrites, ammonia, high ph, low ph. API is what people genreally use. Make sure to shake bottle number 2 of the ntirate test for 2 minutes and very vigorously since particles clump up in the bottle and need to be evenly distributed.

Test the water in your tank. Ammonia and nitrites must be 0ppm, nitrates should be less than 20 ppm. In a tank that size you need to test ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites everyday.
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could you check out my photo on my profile page? It shows the lateral line more clearly.
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jmunroe replied the topic: Re:NEED HELP Oscar Fish HITH LLE?

The problem is as stated ... the tank is too small and lack of water changes period. And your friend who keeps an Oscar with other fish in a 20 gallon with no water changes will not have those fish very long. They are suffering very badly. Yours is suffering as well. Hence the stunting and HITH/HLLE.

Go do a water change - the solution to pollution is dilution.
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UNC-CH replied the topic: NEED HELP Oscar Fish HITH LLE?

To post a picture, open a free photobucket account. Upload the picture to photobucket and click on the 'link' icon (it looks like a chain link). Then copy the address under 'Direct' and paste it into your message here.
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Its unbelievable that my friend has had him for 2 years, and continues to amaze me. Thats what makes me feel like this isnt an emergency rush to bigger tank size. As for HITH, you checked out my photo and know for sure? I would like a for sure answer, its tough i know. As for the treatment i can use on me right now, the Seachem Metroplex, should i mix that in with his food tomorrow and begin treatment?

i realize im not getting it but I would just love if someone could share an experience with an Oscar successfully growing up in a 30 gallon, it cant possibly be 50 gallon or bust can it..? Like even pet stores have these freaking beast huge ones in like 20 gallons and it looks like all they can do is turn around, yet they are so healthy. (looking, behaving) . All this has been way more discouraging then I could have ever imagined, as many people on here have basically summed up together that I'm gonna kill my fish, which I don't believe to be the case :/ shit.
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Lammergeier replied the topic: NEED HELP Oscar Fish HITH LLE?

I couldn't make the call whether that looks normal or not. It does look a bit too pronounced to me but if it is the start of LLE it's early stage.

We're challenging you because you're coming across as being pig-headed and stubborn and unwilling to take advice, citing anecdotal stories as gospel instead of doing any independent research or, failing that, maybe taking the word of people that are infinitely more experienced than you at fish keeping. Not referring to myself but Darth, for example, has been keeping fish professionally and as a hobby for longer than I've been alive.

I'm sure it is a horrible thing to hear that the way you have been treating your oscar is extremely similar to keeping a large dog in a small pen then only clearing away its poop once every two weeks, but it's something you need to know because that is what you're doing. The other reason for harping on about the tank size is that you will not be able to fix your oscar's problems if you do not upgrade the tank. The best advice we can offer for your immediate problem is equivalent to putting a band-aid on a stab wound, because your oscar's problems will be stemming from the inadequate tank space. To help your O you need to address the root cause of the issues, no?

As for why oscars need a large tank - even when small they produce a tremendous amount of waste, and do not have the ability to deal with bad quality water for a long period of time (hence why O's are so prone to HITH). They have evolved to thrive in pristine water, and are not tolerant of nitrates in the water. Because they get so big so quickly (a healthy oscar will reach ~10" within a year) and produce so much waste, everything needs to be big. Big tank. Big w/cs. Big filter. 55 gal is considered the minimum for one oscar because any smaller and 1: an adult O literally wouldn't be able to turn around in the tank, 2: it's the smallest tank where it's still realistically possible to keep nitrates below 20ppm.

Unless you can do 75 - 80% water changes daily the waste metabolites in your 30 gal tank will quickly reach unmanageable levels. Even if you do those changes daily, the stress of being in such a small area will cause further health problems anyway. Think about it, you have a juvenile oscar and you're posting asking whether it has HITH or LLE (and it looks like it might have the beginnings of LLE too). If that isn't a wake up call for you to change the core way you keep this fish, I don't know what is. There's no short term solution to HITH or LLE, and no the medication will not help. All that helps is pristine water, good food and time, and you can't get the former without getting a bigger tank.

50 gal tanks are not $500 bucks anywhere I know about. That's only a 200 and something litre 4ft tank. I know in the US there are $1 per gallon up to 55 gal sales at some places. Even in Australia (which is more expensive than Canada) new 4ft tanks run in the ~$120 - $150 range.

Finally, forgive me if this is harsh, but if you cannot afford to spend the money to give your oscar (or any pet, really) the standard of care that it needs, then you should re-home it because you cannot afford to keep it. In other words, if you cannot afford to buy a MIN 55 gal tank in the short term then you should re-home your oscar. Same applies to time management and water changes. Oscars make awesome pets, but they are expensive, messy and very time consuming.

It's 55 gallons or bust KRrack.
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UNC-CH replied the topic: NEED HELP Oscar Fish HITH LLE?

I'd like to be able to tell you if it's HITH/LLE or not, but I can't tell without a bigger picture. Also, I definitely wouldn't use the metro, especially until we know for sure what your oscar has. If you goto photobucket.com and upload the picture there, you'll be able to copy and paste the address here. Then we can make a better diagnosis.
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