Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

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Noddy created the topic: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

I just read this article, and i'll copy it before i start my questions.

-GARgantuan Alligator Gar (98″, +300 lbs) Bowfished in Texas–
Posted on June 22, 2012
-See photo and link for the story of a giant alligator gar (Atractosteus spatula) that was recently bowfished in Texas. This alligator gar is one of the largest in recent history (over 8′ long and over 300 lbs), even though an accurate weight could not be determined. Information is not provided as to whether or not the large female gator gar had already spawned by the time of capture (it was bowfished out of a spawning group); it would be unfortunate to lose those good genes from the pool. It would also be interesting to analyze aging structures (otoliths, scales) from the individual to determine how old this fish was (alligator gars have been aged to over 70 years). This fish at least gives hope that there are still monster alligator gars still out there…and hopefully those beasts are able to evade capture for many more years.

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OK, my opinion is, that this article sucks, saying "This fish at least gives hope that there are still monster alligator gars still out there…and hopefully those beasts are able to evade capture for many more years."

YEAH<RIGHT,JACK! Why kill it then, if you give a s#it about the genepool?
IMO the fish wouldt have put more eggs into the genepool when not being caught and killed by some bow-fishing dumb@SS.
The Big Gars float on the surface, and when spawning very close together.
Then a guy with a bow shoots him in the head, and pulls him in, and kills him, you have a BIG DEAD Gar , and of course a nice picture of the dumb@ss besides it.
I guess my opinion is pretty clear on Bow-fishing, I hate it and think it's cowardly...
Catch and release, if you will, but i hate to see things like this.
If it's for food, and nescesary, ok, do it, but this is not game-fishing to me.
I think it's a cowardly way of fishing, and think that a fish shouldt allways have a chance against the fishermen.
Why not use a rifle and shoot the Gar. That wouldt be just as dumb...

I'm maybe stepping on someone's toes here, but I'd like to hear some opinions from other fishermen.
Please tell me what you think!
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OFL replied the topic: Re: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

Unfortunately many countries don't seem to practice catch and release. I suppose it depends on the individual fishermen, some of them like to see the fish go back alive, others want to either keep them to eat, or as a trophy. I've seen programs where they bow fish, they do it in Florida a lot, they fish for things like tilapia which are kept for the table. There is also a lot of boat fishing for the Asian carp. I haven't got a problem here because the Asian carp do not take a hook bait, plus they are noxious species which need to be wiped out.

I can't see a big difference between bow fishing and spearfishing, is basically the same isn't it?

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STAFFIE replied the topic: Re: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

I find it shocking that they bow-fish for such a rare species.. just a waste and damaging to the species in my eyes.

I understand that some native people more than likely hunt in a similar way for food.. but the majority are out sport fishing and half the time leave the fish to die if its not a "Trophy" fish.
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OFL replied the topic: Re: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

Personally I like to see all fish go back alive. It was very sad to see that large alligator gar in the photograph. One could argue that any type of fishing is cruel, after all how do we know that a hook isn't agonising for a fish? However, I don't feel good about seeing fish flapping around with a spear through their head, that is just unnecessary when it's done for sport, that isn't sport in my opinion.

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Noddy replied the topic: Re: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

Right, and then they put an article with it that contradicts, with the killing of the Gar. :(
In Holland killing any fish,except seafish, is prohibited.
Carp fishing is the most practiced catch and release form.
And when we do, we work with rigs, that will lose the lead immediatelly if a fish breaks free.
Killing a fish might get you either arrested, or you get a bad case of whoop@ss, by other fisherman... :whistle: :evil:
And we don't have fish that big over here...
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STAFFIE replied the topic: Re: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

Noddy wrote: Right, and then they put an article with it that contradicts, with the killing of the Gar. :(
In Holland killing any fish,except seafish, is prohibited.
Carp fishing is the most practiced catch and release form.
And when we do, we work with rigs, that will lose the lead immediatelly if a fish breaks free.
Killing a fish might get you either arrested, or you get a bad case of whoop@ss, by other fisherman... :whistle: :evil:
And we don't have fish that big over here...


Exactly the same in this country All catch and release thankfully apart from the odd polish immigrant that wants to try their luck stealing carp for food.

We have some game fishing also for trout/salmon but you are very limited to the number of fish you are allowed to take home.
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toni-a replied the topic: Re: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

that's an ancient primitive instinct of hunting.
10000 years ago, the best to impress was to show your hunting skills and your trophies, some primitive tribes still do this like look at animal teeth or other remnants they attach on themselves or to their weapons.
we evolved, some didn't, it is pathetic to see them, here in Lebanon you can see people in huge 4X4 trucks having hugely expensive rifles that go in the mountains to hunt small birds similar to sparrows or even just sparrows, they look ridiculous...
yes they are still primates...
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BRYCEisBOSS replied the topic: Re: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

toni-a wrote: that's an ancient primitive instinct of hunting.
10000 years ago, the best to impress was to show your hunting skills and your trophies, some primitive tribes still do this like look at animal teeth or other remnants they attach on themselves or to their weapons.
we evolved, some didn't, it is pathetic to see them, here in Lebanon you can see people in huge 4X4 trucks having hugely expensive rifles that go in the mountains to hunt small birds similar to sparrows or even just sparrows, they look ridiculous...
yes they are still primates...

Are you saying all hunters in general are stupid primates? Here in America hunting is a family tradition and a time for the family to get together to do something they enjoy. Also, hunters keep animal populations in check and preserve many animals' habitats.
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JasonR replied the topic: Re: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

I understand people hunting as i am a hunter myself but i have extreme respect and admiration for the animals i harvest. In this instance of bowfishing for these extremely old and rare giant gar theres no reason they should be allowed to be killed. I feel our state does a pretty good job with size limits and such to limit the impact on populations of fish but this is terrible to see. Its obvious not all places provide the same protections. I kept a 20" walleye this spring and when i cleaned it i realized it was full of eggs. I felt terrible and will not keep walleye in the spring when theyre spawning or large potential females any longer. So many people just dont care though....
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BRYCEisBOSS replied the topic: Re: Bow-fishing on alligator gar,tough or cowardly?

I agree with you 100% Jason. In think that it is wrong to bow-fish the Alligator Gar considering you can't even harvest any meat from it and the fact that there are so few of them. I was just telling toni-a that there is more to hunting than just going out and killing animals. After being shot, I saw a deer bed down and lay there for about 10 minutes before dying. I couldn't shoot it again because it was too far away and I just felt terrible about it because I couldn't have killed it quicker, so I know exactly where you are coming from.
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