Week 1 - Animal testing. Yes or No

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Lets kick things off with the first topic of this series,

Animal testing, for or against.

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DRACO replied the topic: Week 1 - Animal testing. Yes or No

animals being used in an experimental testing? CRUELTY! i am against it.
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face mcshooty replied the topic: Week 1 - Animal testing. Yes or No

it all depends on what you consider a animal, testing on dogs and cats most people think that's wrong but what about rodents or fish or bugs do people feel bad for squishing a bug no why not it's alive just like a dog or a cat what about a fish we leave them die by the thousands on the decks of ships but yet we justify it by saying we need to eat the same sort of thing is said about animal testing as much as i'd like to say it's wrong i can't

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benmcfadden replied the topic: Re:Week 1 - Animal testing. Yes or No

I would say if you can save the lives of thousands of children each year by testing on some animals then surely it's a good thing.


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Sosban Fach replied the topic: Week 1 - Animal testing. Yes or No

Its one of those moral dilemmas isn't it. It depends what the testing is for there are many different test/experiements.

For example post mortem discection. In my book absoloutly fine provideing you didnt kill the animal.

I think its neccasary for the most part where the results increase mankinds understanding of science and medicine. Sometimes this has to be done live. Like when they grew an ear on the back of a mouse. The mouse didn't really notice and a child got a new ear. Or when testing as ben said can lead to an alteration in medical practice that could save thousends of lives.

But it can go to extremes theres a line to be drawn.

For example I once saw an experiment where they transferred a chimps head onto another chimps body and it actually worked. The idea of being able to do the same with people one day. Where someone suffering from paralasis or suchlike could transfer there head onto a functioning body; utilising someones body that was brain dead. The experment required takeing two fairly healthy chimps putting one of them through a incredbly cruel and painful fete before death and just uthinizing the other; but massive leap for science and an incredable medical fete. Im still not sure if I agree with this experiement being carried out.

At the oppsite end of the spectrum you have experiements that have no real scientific signifficance such as testing cosmetics. That is pointless!
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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: Week 1 - Animal testing. Yes or No

Not on primates. Primates definitely are sentient, as they are self-aware. Some even know sign language. I personally consider it criminal to do so.

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face mcshooty replied the topic: Week 1 - Animal testing. Yes or No

Primates definitely are sentient, as they are self-aware


why does that matter does it hurt more just because they know who they are?

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Sosban Fach replied the topic: Week 1 - Animal testing. Yes or No

I have to agree with mcshooty here. I don't think sense of self or level of intelligence has much weight when considering testing/expeiementation.

It allows us to identify better with them, but I expect such an experience is the same regardless.
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"why does that matter does it hurt more just because they know who they are?"

With that line of logic, it would be OK to use humans as test subjects. Primates are intelligent, empathic animals. Chimpanzees & humans are separated by one strand of DNA. To use them for scientific experiments is unnecessary, immoral & illogical.

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Sosban Fach replied the topic: Week 1 - Animal testing. Yes or No

The difference is that Humans can make a conscious choice in the matter, more to the point can communicate that choice.

I am not condoneing the tests at all.

I think that if you/anyone condemm that example with the chimp head swop then it would not be fair to perform the same experiment on donkey for example.

We also share I think 50% of our DNA with banannas; I would quite happily swap the head on a bananna as it doesn't have nerve endings.
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