HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

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DRACO created the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

Presently, i am involved in keeping FLOWERHORN.

basically, i am new with this kind of fish and i am not good in determining what kind of flowerhorn
or what strain one is. Honestly, i had been reminded not to post too much about this fish because
people here who love pure breed fish feel being malign or offended.

For the sake of discussion, what is your take about this fish. PRO and AGAINST:

let me explain my side.... i had gotten a flowernhorn by accident; when i bought feeder fish and saw
flat small fish... i keep it and raised it like any standard fish. after 2 years, that fish turn out to be a classic
kamfa flowerhorn. because of that accidental fh, i am now involve in FH keeping but doing it my own old fashion way.
i don't like big KOK and i do not used enhancer food.

what i' have now are good looking huge flowerhorns which is not normal in the hobby.
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face mcshooty replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

personally i'm fine with it as long as the fish is stable and healthy i don't see the problem when you think about it most species of dogs are crossbreeds

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Sosban Fach replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

Draco,

No need to defend yourself for getting a fish.

I agree as long as the fish are kept well and the fish are treated well in the breeding programmes then I have no problem.

What I do have a problem with is breeding programmes in general that actually favour aestetics over health. An example would be Pugs and bulldogs have a reputation for breathing problems because they are purpose bred for more squashed noses.

In the case of the flower horn I guess the kok could be considered a form of favouring aesthics over health, but as far as I am aware the fish is not overtly affected by an oversized kok.

Breeding for "purity" I would assume can lead to alot of inbred fish. This as far as I am aware actually increases the chances of a genetic abnormailties/deformaties. These abnormalities and deformaties can significantly reduce the quality of life a fish may have.

So I would say both breeding for purity and cross-breeding have there pro's and cons. What I guess im really against is poor judgement when it comes to selective breeding where the fihs's qaulity of life is not taken into consideration. And this can happen in both cross-breeding and purity breeding.
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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

I know people on this site have hybrids....some of them I consider friends, & do not wish to offend them......but the question was asked, & this is my stance on hybrids:

They have no place in the hobby. None. Hybrids are an abomination. Every effort should be made to eradicate them. True species of cichlids are disappearing from their wild ranges due to overfishing, pollution, invasive species, etc. Last thing we need is for any of these things getting into the wild & wreaking havoc because some careless "fish-keeper" didn't want it anymore & let it go into some local watershed.

Besides that, most hybrids are horrendously ugly, & look like a cross between a fish that was spawned in the outflow from a nuclear power plant & a medical experiment gone awry. :sick:

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face mcshooty replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

that's more of a invasive species problem than a hybrid problem isn't it i mean snakeheads are a naturally occurring species and i'm sure you know what they can do to a native fish species

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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

That's but one aspect of the hybrid problem.....again, naturally occurring cichlids, all over the world, are disappearing from their native ranges due to over-fishing, pollution,etc. Shouldn't we focus on breeding them, rather than concocting some genetic freak, simply because some misguided "mad scientist" can do so?

We as hobbyists should focus on breeding healthy stock of naturally occurring cichlids, & support those who do this & sell them.....having seen fish labeled "A" & being sold as "A" & knowing that they were a cross of "A+ ???? angers me to no end, & is NOT good for the long-term survival of "this thing of ours".

If there was no demand for these horrendous things, then they would disappear almost entirely from the market. Unfortunately, due to greed, I don't see that happening.

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Suprd71 replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

I completely agree from the point of preserving the natural lineage of the cichlid strain. That said, I do own a hybrid RedTex, cross of Tex/Festae, and she is one of my favorite fish. Hypocritical? Probably so.


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face mcshooty replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

so your thought is your going to keep oscars just in case they go extinct and they have to crowdsource breeding ?


and albino fish cannot survive in the wild so does that mean they fall under the same category as hybrids ?

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Gaarakilla19 replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

I wouldnt call albino oscars a hybrid because its just their pigmentation not their body or fins or any mixed fish, they are just genetically engineered and been bred for years to form this color or atleast thats what i think
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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

No. My thoughts are exactly as I stated them. If you support hybrids by purchasing them, the market will not dry up. If nobody purchased hybrids, no one would "make" them. Simple economic law of "supply & demand". The market will only bear what it can sell. I do support those who breed naturally occurring cichlids.

Albinos are not hybrids....they are the species they are supposed to be, except they lack the gene for color. That is why they mostly will not make it in the wild, as they have no natural "camoflauge" & get eaten by predators.

Hybrids species of many animals can survive in the wild, but normally cannot reproduce, which is why you do not see so many. But apparently, hybrid cichlids can be an exception to this "rule"......African cichlids are a notable case of this (especially Lake Malawi Mbunas).

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