HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

Gaarakilla19 wrote: I wouldnt call albino oscars a hybrid because its just their pigmentation not their body or fins or any mixed fish, they are just genetically engineered and been bred for years to form this color or atleast thats what i think


And you would be correct. Same goes for Discus & Angelfish...many different color forms.....they are not hybrids..... genetically, they are still Discus.

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Gaarakilla19 replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

I wonder how people got fish to breed a certain color.. did they just happen to get lucky n find 2 rare color fish and breed them or what?
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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

Look up "Line-breeding"....but that's a separate topic. Let's confine this discussion to those God-awful abominations known as hybrids. :sick:

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face mcshooty replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

i still don't see why hybrids are bad i can understand it you do not liking them because of their appearance but it's not like that fish is going to spread to every other fish in existence or something lol

it's all about prefrins if you like them great and if not don't buy them and it doesn't affect you

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Suprd71 replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

The proliferation of hybrids decreases the need for pure breeds, as most hobbyists dont know the dif, and purchase fish because they are pretty. Try to get a pure Red Devil.. not easy. Ever been to Petsmart Sudbury and see the Red Devil labelled tank? They are all Midas/ RD mix, but the average schmo shopping there assumes they have real RD, because that what it says on the tank. Same with their Salvini, which is a naturally gorgeous cichlid, but I dont know what the hell they got in there, and neither do they.


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DRACO replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

basically, even in the wild, crossbreed/hybrids is normal... but they get the natural way of life
what differ in the captivity, there are too much human intervention causing major deformity which
people involve in the process see it as a beauty. i am not totally sold with that idea, which make uncomfortable
with fish that has big KOK, dog with deform face and nose, so forth and so on...

i had join people who love keeping FH but i do things differently from the norm...
i had grown an FH 11 inches long with huge body but no big KOK...
i am trying to influence people to raise them in normal way like any other fish...

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"i still don't see why hybrids are bad"

And this attitude is why there is a market for these things.

"even in the wild, crossbreed/hybrids is normal"

Not, it isn't. While it does occassionally occur, it is not "normal", nor is it frequent. Which is why there are different distinct species of animals.

Wait 'til Ed chimes in on this topic.....you think I'm stern in my views on these "Frankenfish"?...you have NO idea. :evil:

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face mcshooty replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

i can see where you're coming from but for something like a flowerhorn or a blood parrot you know what you're buying

all i'm saying is if your happy with your fish that's all that matters and if your inconvenience other people well that's their problem

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jmunroe replied the topic: Re:HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

I would never advocate hybrids even though I like the look of some of them. I despise blood parrots though. They are just ugly and they are in the hobby, which bothers me. But if you have some fish that will breed in your tank and you want to see what you end up with, for poops and giggles,example: fire cons, then that's up to you. But again I would never advocate them being released into the wild or the hobby.

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Sosban Fach replied the topic: HYBRID/CROSSBREED FISH- what is your take?

Darth but it seems to me your majour arguements about this being bad is due to the following am I correct.

1. If released in the wild they could reak havoc
This issue goes with keeping any breed of fish so it doesn't really stand as a spefic reason hybrid breeding shouldn't exsist. More of an arguement as to why people shouldn't keep fish all together.

2. There ugly
Agreed im not hugley keen on FH but you know different strokes for different blokes.

3. Cross breeding isn't natural
Actually this is completly untrue happens all the time; lets take humans as an example. The human evoloutionary tree actually split into a number of breed ans species. Some of these diversifications came together and alot of interbreeding went along. There is plenty of evidence to support this when reading into human evoultionary genetics. Many other species have done this in the wild. There is only currently one species of human. There used to be dozens; as it happens it is unlikey that we awere the more intelligent. I can't remember which breed it was, but they were developing tools far sooner than we were. It is sort that the majourity of intelligence we have is through interbreeding with this breed. There are strong theories that argue we killed them off, or there lack of social tendancies led them to die out. Or whether there level of technology had led to over hunting; so alot of them died due do eating to much red meat and overdoseing on vitamin D. Or they starved themselves by not haveing such a varied diet as we do.

Oh and selective breeding to aquire purity is completly unatural.

4. The hybrid market is outgunning the pure bred market and reduceing availabillity.
Well yes this does sound unfortunate.

That said pure bred breeding requires inbreds. This causes genetic deformities in all forms of life and can often give birth to creatures whom are doomed for a short life of suffering.

The reduced selection of beautiful pure breds is a shame; but it comes at a cost as I said above. More so Whilst You and I Darth have an apreciation for hese beuatiful fish, many others don't so to say one trade should live and the other die is kinda selfish.

It is unfair that this trade is making it more difficult and more expensive to get a hold of pure bred fish, by the same token is it unfair to dis-allow this trade of hybrids to prosper.
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