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www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-nurse-amber-joy-vinson-flew-plan-wedding-n226651

Someone make me understand WHY THE F the USA has to have open borders & ALLOWS PEOPLE TO TRAVEL TO & FROM COUNTRIES INFECTED W/ EBOLA. 1st protocol of infection control IS STOP THE SPREAD OF THE DISEASE THROUGH QUARANTINE. Nobody gets to go there, nobody gets to leave. Air drop meds & supplies. You got family there? TOO BAD. CAN'T GO. You want to be a hero & go there to help, when in this day & age of instant communications that's unnecessary? GOOD, YOU STAY THERE UNTIL EBOLA IS ERADICATED.

But no, all that is common sense. Which apparently our govt. doesn't have. Can't cure the common cold, but we let this crap onto our soil? Geniuses.....:pinch:

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purplecandle replied the topic: Unbelieveable

:laugh: You sound like me! Every morning I'm yelling at cnn......stupid, stupid people involved in this whole mess...and don't forget there was an outbreak about a decade or so ago...and no one bothered to make a vaccination.

Why can't Ebola travel to isis?
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UNC-CH replied the topic: Unbelieveable

There's no understanding it because the argument makes no sense. I've heard that if the US didn't/doesn't permit doctors and other aid workers from traveling to (and from) those hot zones, then ebola would get much worse in Africa and it would end up being more dangerous to the US over the longer term. :pinch: Well, not if you quarantine ... however long it takes.

I never doubted ebola would come to the US and I certainly didn't think it would stop with that first person or nurse. I'd also predict that it's here to stay. It's something that we'll just have to learn to live with. I hope I'm wrong about that.
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Well, first off, the common cold is a retrovirus, which changes, so you'd need a lot of shots, kind of like the flu. Your flu shot is also the most likely strain, gathered from lab testing.

Ebola is exchanged through contact of bodily fluids- sweat, saliva, mucous, etc. Yes, yell at the dipshits who sneeze all over the place.

In Australia, a nurse came back, after being over for 6 months, I believe it was. She immediately quarantined herself in her house, alone, and took precautions, like not leaving the house, and taking her temperature every day. She ended up with a fever, so got herself checked in to a hospital. She turned out to be clear. She didn't have ebola. But she'd done the smart thing, and made sure if she did, she wouldn't pass it on recklessly.

That nurse who flew should be stripped of being a nurse. Micro tears in gloves and suits can allow viruses in. Known fact. She just didn't give a shit, and it shows.

Common sense isn't common anymore. Anyone who has come from that area, where there is an outbreak, should be mandatorily quarantined. Anyone who comes into any form of contact should be as well.

Clothing with bodily fluids should be discarded, most likely burned. Sorry, but clothes or life, your clothes are replaceable.

Here's a link to a map of Africa. www.eco-friendly-africa-travel.com/images/map-of-africa-countries.gif

You can see the areas where the outbreak is currently. Those borders, in many cases, are basically just lines. You can get across. All it takes is one carrier, and it's in another country, over the border, spreading. All is takes is another person running... and so on.

I hear Morocco is nice. Egypt is a popular tourist destination. My SiL has visited there a few times. South Africa does a lot of exports. If it is not contained, it will spread, and it will keep spreading. And eventually, Morocco, Egypt and South Africa will end up with the disease. And it can spread even further.

This disease has the potential to wipe out a good chunk of the population of Africa, and in today's day and age, that's not a good thing. (Not that it ever is, really) So, therefore, work must be done to stop it doing exactly that. And the best equipped are 1st World. And we are talking about a group of countries that include one with people like that nurse. Almost makes you weep for humanity, doesn't it?

Just think how often you see people walk past the sinks in the toilets in a public place. Now, think about how many people in a 3rd World country can wash their hands. I think you'll find the number is still higher in 1st World, including those who do. So, you've basically got a disease, spread by bodily fluids, in a country where many people probably don't get the chance to wash their hands... well, you see where I'm going with this. And those people don't always seek treatment, and some will run... thinking they're getting away from the virus, not realising they've got it.

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Darth Nandopsis replied the topic: Unbelieveable

The US has got to stop being the police/caretaker of the world. Send supplies/med tech/whatever via air-drop, but anyone touching that soil stays there....anyone already over there stays there.....no one in, no one out. No flights in or out. Anyone w/ a passport from a country w/ an outbreak getting off a plane here is detained, quarantined, & sent back. Sorry, but draconian measures are called for.

I understand what the common cold virus is....I don't trust the medical community, & I don't believe they know 100% that ebola is only transmitted through direct contact, & although rare, viruses can mutate. Hence my comparison.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-the-ebola-virus-will-go-airborne/

Now the suggestion is to have TSA workers check temps....yeah, I'll rely on that as a safeguard. Maybe if you stopped allowing anyone who may be a potential carrier to board the close quarters that we find in airplanes so no one gets sneezed on....hmmm, but that would only make sense.

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I'm sick of hearing those nurses complain about training. I call bs on that one. Nurses do get training...it's called thier college degree. Then they also get free classes on a multitude of topics including infectious disease....they just have to attend.

I was once a CNA. I handled multiple patients with infectious disease including mrsa (I'm talking people with bed sores the size of plates caked in mrsa). I didn't have, nor need a "space suit" .

I wore face masks, paper gowns, shoe covers and so forth. I lysol thier rooms and doors, bio hazard thier dirty linens and trash. I washed my freaking hands up to my elbows!

When going home I would call and get my hubby and kids out side of the house. I'd go in, take care of my clothes, antibacterial shower, cleaned my nails, wiped every surface of the house down with Lysol...

It is nurse training 101. Those heifers at that hospital just thought it couldn't happen to them...

Blah blah....they are complaining that their suits didn't cover their necks properly? Wash your GD neck then.
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What a bunch of chuckleheads:

www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/dallas-decides-against-ebola-disaster-declaration-n227571

Anybody that lives out there, I feel sorry for ya. Blind leading the deaf. :pinch:

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purplecandle wrote: I'm sick of hearing those nurses complain about training. I call bs on that one. Nurses do get training...it's called thier college degree. Then they also get free classes on a multitude of topics including infectious disease....they just have to attend.

I was once a CNA. I handled multiple patients with infectious disease including mrsa (I'm talking people with bed sores the size of plates caked in mrsa). I didn't have, nor need a "space suit" .

I wore face masks, paper gowns, shoe covers and so forth. I lysol thier rooms and doors, bio hazard thier dirty linens and trash. I washed my freaking hands up to my elbows!

When going home I would call and get my hubby and kids out side of the house. I'd go in, take care of my clothes, antibacterial shower, cleaned my nails, wiped every surface of the house down with Lysol...

It is nurse training 101. Those heifers at that hospital just thought it couldn't happen to them...

Blah blah....they are complaining that their suits didn't cover their necks properly? Wash your GD neck then.


You are a wielder of (un)common sense. I applaud for for being a good person, and for also taking the time to make sure you did what you could to keep your family safe. Because, yeah, it can happen to anyone. It's like having an open cut, and not covering it, because you work in a hospital, and only patients get staph. Anyone can.

It just seems that the "It won't happen to me" mindset is very rife in society.

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UNC-CH replied the topic: Unbelieveable

Taking into account how easily people could enter the US from West African via other countries, and considering our inability to identify those people as coming from ebola-infected areas, I'm no longer sure that a travel ban to and from the affected countries would help prevent the spread of ebola in the US. Stubling on this article from 3 days ago nudged me further in this direction.

www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2014/10/13/ebola-travel/

Basically, I'm just not sure that quarantining on this level can be done.
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Yep, travel ban should've happened ages ago.....but anyone from any port of entry attempting to fly into the US or cross our borders w/ a passport from any African nation affected by ebola would not be allowed into the US. Won't stop everybody, but it would be a start.

I read that article.....to state that a travel ban won't work based on stats & recommendations from anyone in the health care field ( who have already screwed the pooch on this one) is nonsensical.....it certainly can't or won't work if it isn't implemented.

THOSE WHO REFUSE KNOWLEDGE ARE DOOMED TO FAIL.

WATER CHANGES ARE THE LIFEBLOOD OF THIS HOBBY. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE SO OR SIMPLY DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING THEM, RE-HOME YOUR FISH, SELL YOUR AQUARIUM & FIND ANOTHER HOBBY, AS YOU WILL FAIL UTTERLY, COMPLETELY, & MISERABLY.
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